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In my view, the major difference between Aesop's Fables and the Bible is the violence. The Bible being much more violent than the Greek fables. Another difference, the fables are actually a pretty good code to live by. The Bible not so much. After all, it's probably not a good idea to beat your slave and murder your child.

One must ask though. Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered sacred text handed down by God?
 
In my view, the major difference between Aesop's Fables and the Bible is the violence. The Bible being much more violent than the Greek fables. Another difference, the fables are actually a pretty good code to live by. The Bible not so much. After all, it's probably not a good idea to beat your slave and murder your child.

One must ask though. Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered sacred text handed down by God?


What an odd question.

Who do you think believe the Bible is a sacred text handed down by God? Do you? Surely, not atheists?


Why do you think Christians consider it a sacred text handed by God? Faith!

Furthermore, there are so many threads here that had addressed why we think our God is, God. And evidences for our belief.
You've been in debate in some of them, if I'm not mistaken? Revisit them. Review them.



About the slave and the killing of children - you'll have to do a serious Bible study in order to understand why.
 
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In my view, the major difference between Aesop's Fables and the Bible is the violence. The Bible being much more violent than the Greek fables. Another difference, the fables are actually a pretty good code to live by. The Bible not so much. After all, it's probably not a good idea to beat your slave and murder your child.

One must ask though. Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered sacred text handed down by God?





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The bible is a tale in which the deeper, unwritten story is the more meaningful part.
 
The bible is a tale in which the deeper, unwritten story is the more meaningful part.

How does that story go?

You see there's a bunch of facts, people and places in the Bible that are fictional and a bunch of stories involving these characters that are historically impossible or straight up scientifically inaccurate.

But this deeper, unwritten story is an imaginative metaphor. That's where you take everything that's absurd, and reinvent it to be something meaningful. I find that a suspension of disbelief is very helpful in this exercise.


Oh and there's some vague muscly, bearded man who loves you and watches you sleep at night.
 
In my view, the major difference between Aesop's Fables and the Bible is the violence. The Bible being much more violent than the Greek fables. Another difference, the fables are actually a pretty good code to live by. The Bible not so much. After all, it's probably not a good idea to beat your slave and murder your child.

One must ask though. Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered sacred text handed down by God?

Whenever I am bored I scroll thru the philosophy section.

I am bored. So I have found this thread and would like to give it some thought and commentary.

First regarding Aesopos -- he is reputed to have been a Greek slave who lived around 620 BCE and who composed a number of fables at a time when there was no way to write anything down in Greece. Literacy came much later to the Greeks than it did to Egypt, as we know from Josephus Flavius. Herodotus and Aristotle both refer to Aesop, but this does not prove that he ever really existed. The fables themselves may simply have consisted of local folk literature intended to entertain children.

Thus I would equate Aesop with such legendary figures as King Arthur, Remus, Romulus, or Heracles.

Aesop's works are entertaining, as is the earlier Odyssey. Either one of these could have originated in bardic tales orally transmitted and then finally written down in later times.

Moses (Moshe) on the other hand was literate, and according to Josephus, became a prince of Egypt and an accomplished general of all the Egyptian armies. So that's the first big difference between them -- that one had to be at best an illiterate bard while the other was educated and trained in literacy, law and warfare.

Moses begins his own narrative at some point between 1450 BCE (roughly the same time as archaeology tells us that Troy was burned and destroyed) and perhaps 1410 BCE shortly before he died. The laws of JHVH, Moses' God, are extremely complex, and therefore it would make sense that he wrote these down as he "received" them. Thus the detail that was passed down from generation to generation by scribes after Moses is completely feasible from a literary standpoint.

As a work of religious law, Moses' Law and the compilations that follow it compares favorably with the Hindu ancient texts, and nothing else on this Earth equals either one of them.

Certainly the compilation is violent, since its major theme is the conquest of a land already occupied by other ethnic nations. That is similar to the American conquest of the West by the U.S. Cavalry, or the Spanish conquest of Latin America earlier. That's never pretty when it happens, and it has happened over and over throughout history and prehistory.

Sure, a goodly number of exaggerations crept into the Old Testament Bible thereafter, like the story of the talking donkey, or the 3 guys walking around in the furnace. Those characterize the entertainment value of the literature itself, possibly codified for children.

Never in all of history has a document like the Hebrew Old Testament been formulated with as much rich and realistic detail as its books/scrolls contain. The Hebrews and Jews (a subset of the whole group) went to great lengths to preserve their secular and religious history.

Comparing Aesop and Moses is really a bad comparison made by a rather unscholarly mind who has only superficially examined either of them rather flippantly. So I hope you don't expect to have been taken seriously. If this is a joke then it is funny-sad rather than funny-ha-ha.
 
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What an odd question.

Who do you think believe the Bible is a sacred text handed down by God? Do you? Surely, not atheists?


Why do you think Christians consider it a sacred text handed by God? Faith!

Furthermore, there are so many threads here that had addressed why we think our God is, God. And evidences for our belief.
You've been in debate in some of them, if I'm not mistaken? Revisit them. Review them.



About the slave and the killing of children - you'll have to do a serious Bible study in order to understand why.

Very nice rebuttal, Tosca.
 
Hopefully Tosca and Calamity will both be back and we can all debate this some more. The messaging pings them both whenever they are quoted, as above.

Zyzygy is not really worth summoning at this point. He really did not have anything much to say. Indicated he has not given the issue much if any real serious thought either way.
 
Whenever I am bored I scroll thru the philosophy section.

I am bored. So I have found this thread and would like to give it some thought and commentary.

First regarding Aesopos -- he is reputed to have been a Greek slave who lived around 620 BCE and who composed a number of fables at a time when there was no way to write anything down in Greece. Literacy came much later to the Greeks than it did to Egypt, as we know from Josephus Flavius. Herodotus and Aristotle both refer to Aesop, but this does not prove that he ever really existed. The fables themselves may simply have consisted of local folk literature intended to entertain children.

Thus I would equate Aesop with such legendary figures as King Arthur, Remus, Romulus, or Heracles.

Aesop's works are entertaining, as is the earlier Odyssey. Either one of these could have originated in bardic tales orally transmitted and then finally written down in later times.

Moses (Moshe) on the other hand was literate, and according to Josephus, became a prince of Egypt and an accomplished general of all the Egyptian armies. So that's the first big difference between them -- that one had to be at best an illiterate bard while the other was educated and trained in literacy, law and warfare.

Moses begins his own narrative at some point between 1450 BCE (roughly the same time as archaeology tells us that Troy was burned and destroyed) and perhaps 1410 BCE shortly before he died. The laws of JHVH, Moses' God, are extremely complex, and therefore it would make sense that he wrote these down as he "received" them. Thus the detail that was passed down from generation to generation by scribes after Moses is completely feasible from a literary standpoint.

As a work of religious law, Moses' Law and the compilations that follow it compares favorably with the Hindu ancient texts, and nothing else on this Earth equals either one of them.

Certainly the compilation is violent, since its major theme is the conquest of a land already occupied by other ethnic nations. That is similar to the American conquest of the West by the U.S. Cavalry, or the Spanish conquest of Latin America earlier. That's never pretty when it happens, and it has happened over and over throughout history and prehistory.

Sure, a goodly number of exaggerations crept into the Old Testament Bible thereafter, like the story of the talking donkey, or the 3 guys walking around in the furnace. Those characterize the entertainment value of the literature itself, possibly codified for children.

Never in all of history has a document like the Hebrew Old Testament been formulated with as much rich and realistic detail as its books/scrolls contain. The Hebrews and Jews (a subset of the whole group) went to great lengths to preserve their secular and religious history.

Comparing Aesop and Moses is really a bad comparison made by a rather unscholarly mind who has only superficially examined either of them rather flippantly. So I hope you don't expect to have been taken seriously. If this is a joke then it is funny-sad rather than funny-ha-ha.

They are both fables which impart a sort of morality on the reader. IMO, the Bible is a set of tales passed down verbally which were finally written down. As is Aesop. The only difference, IMO, is the supernatural aspect in the Bible, which for some reason is believed to be real by a billion or more people. Aesop, OTOH, is pretty much understood by all to be made up.
 
What an odd question.

Who do you think believe the Bible is a sacred text handed down by God? Do you? Surely, not atheists?


Why do you think Christians consider it a sacred text handed by God? Faith!

Furthermore, there are so many threads here that had addressed why we think our God is, God. And evidences for our belief.
You've been in debate in some of them, if I'm not mistaken? Revisit them. Review them.



About the slave and the killing of children - you'll have to do a serious Bible study in order to understand why.
Many things attributed to "God" have been proven false: Genesis's creation myth, the flood, exodus, from the Egyptian enslavement of the Jewish people to them wandering in the desert of 40 years, just to name a few. Many more, simply put, are unbelievable: tablets handed to Moses by a burning bush, immaculate conception, rising from the dead after 3 days....
 
Many things attributed to "God" have been proven false: Genesis's creation myth, the flood, exodus, from the Egyptian enslavement of the Jewish people to them wandering in the desert of 40 years, just to name a few. Many more, simply put, are unbelievable: tablets handed to Moses by a burning bush, immaculate conception, rising from the dead after 3 days....


I simply responded to your question: Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered ........

sacred text handed down by God?



If you're a non-believer, whatever you think about my God - is irrelevant!
Surely you wouldn't think of the Bible as "sacred," what more that it came from God. :lol:

There. You said the key phrase that actually is the answer to your question: SACRED TEXT FROM GOD.

Of course those who believes - those who have faith - will accept it as fact!
Why do you think only the believers think that way?

Have you ever met an atheist who accept Aesop's as fiction, and considered the Bible the sacred text from God? :lol:

That's why I've said....what an odd question.
 
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I simply responded to your question: Why is one accepted as fiction while the other is considered ........

sacred text handed down by God?



If you're a non-believer, whatever you think about my God - is irrelevant! Surely you wouldn't think of the Bible as "sacred," what more that it came from God. :lol:

There. You said the key phrase that actually is the answer to your question: SACRED TEXT FROM GOD.

Of coutse those who believes - those who have faith - will accept it as fact! :doh

That's why I've said....what an odd question.
Well, maybe the question rephrased will shine some light on why it was asked. Why is the Bible considered by so many to be sacred and handed down by god while everyone agrees Aesop was just some made up tales shared at the campfire?
 
Well, maybe the question rephrased will shine some light on why it was asked. Why is the Bible considered by so many to be sacred and handed down by god while everyone agrees Aesop was just some made up tales shared at the campfire?

Bible tales fall into the campfire category.
 
Well, maybe the question rephrased will shine some light on why it was asked. Why is the Bible considered by so many to be sacred and handed down by god while everyone agrees Aesop was just some made up tales shared at the campfire?

For openers, you should complete your question by also bringing-in the Rig Veda and the Koran.

Many things attributed to "God" have been proven false: Genesis's creation myth, the flood, exodus, from the Egyptian enslavement of the Jewish people to them wandering in the desert of 40 years, just to name a few. Many more, simply put, are unbelievable: tablets handed to Moses by a burning bush, immaculate conception, rising from the dead after 3 days....

You need to read more -- pick up a copy of Eusebius regarding the rising from the dead. He is closer to the event than you and I are.

Immaculate conception is a Roman Catholic concept and has nothing to do with the Greek New Testament. You should read the Greek New Testament and see what it says about Mary's conception. If you cannot read Greek then you need to get a Greek-English word for word translation.

You should read in the Torah about the tablets. You don't seem to be very familiar with the event up on Mount Horeb. There was no burning bush up on Mount Horeb.

Your lack of awareness of these Biblical events is stunning to me. If the above were your report in any given college comparative theology class you would have earned an F grade for the semester (on a scale of A to F where F is failing).

They are both fables which impart a sort of morality on the reader. IMO, the Bible is a set of tales passed down verbally which were finally written down. As is Aesop. The only difference, IMO, is the supernatural aspect in the Bible, which for some reason is believed to be real by a billion or more people. Aesop, OTOH, is pretty much understood by all to be made up.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how baseless it may be. You should read Josephus, the historian, to get a better understanding of where writing came from, how it evolved, and who had use of it anciently. Your notions are completely unfounded.
 
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I'll wait to see if anyone else has anything intelligent to say in this thread.

So far it is an exercise in complete denial by a cluster of atheists who are too lazy to do any real research.
 
I'll wait to see if anyone else has anything intelligent to say in this thread.

So far it is an exercise in complete denial by a cluster of atheists who are too lazy to do any real research.

Any and all "research" in these matters is faith based. There really is no way to prove the Bible right, even if most things written in it are wrong.
 
Any and all "research" in these matters is faith based. There really is no way to prove the Bible right, even if most things written in it are wrong.

We have at least 2 historians available to us -- Eusebius and Josephus. You need to read more and talk/type less.
 
We have at least 2 historians available to us -- Eusebius and Josephus. You need to read more and talk/type less.

Yes, they are two renowned historians from the early first Millennium. Josephus perhaps more so. Not sure what that has to do with the Bible not being a book of tales like Aesop's fables though.
 
Yes, they are two renowned historians from the early first Millennium. Josephus perhaps more so. Not sure what that has to do with the Bible not being a book of tales like Aesop's fables though.

As I said, you need to read them both, to gain the insights necessary to re-think your thinking.
 
As I said, you need to read them both, to gain the insights necessary to re-think your thinking.

It may help to better explain the historical context in which the Bible was written, both testaments. But, I seriously doubt it would dispel the obvious bull**** written between the good Book's covers.
 
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