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Abrahamic Religion = Fear

Dragonfly said:
Why are the religious so afraid? Why is everything wrapped in fear? I thought your "god" was loving, caring, forgiving, and understanding?

Is it sort of a symbiotic relationship between two irrational thought processes?

If you believe in your heart that you are doing the right thing, why do things other people do (that don't effect you) bother you so freakin much?

This is why I am more drawn to Taoism than western religions. Contentment and peace come from within. Forcing, influencing, or manipulating others isn't part of that formula.

FEAR isn't part of inner peace and contentment.

Why does it seem so many who believe in Abrahamic religions are also those who fearmonger the most, AND who also appear the most afraid?

Same-sex marriage is a perfect example of the irrational fear I'm talking about.
If somebody is going to be punished because two gay people get married, wouldn't those same people be punished because of thousands of other reasons that thousands of other people do every damn day?

What kind of asinine god would punish a straight, married, christian female in her 50's simply because a gay couple got married a 1000 miles away from her?

My only reasoning with why somebody would be so worried about what other people do, is that they are extremely insecure with what they themselves are doing.

Can somebody be a "good ___________" and not be fearful of what others believe/do?
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As far as I understand it from those who claim to know more about it, there is, at some point, going to be retribution on a personal level and on a global level if we don't do what the big man 'wants'. That is fear inducing dogma.
 
Manny said:
It's about social engineering. There are repercussions to all things we do. If society becomes totally immoral it will break down, and the strength of our society is tied to our security, our willingness to fight for it, protect it for what we believe in. Even in a non-religious context that should make sense.
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It doesn't make sense to those who desire to engage in, embrace, and defend overt immorality.
 
Amadeus said:
They call them 'God-fearing Christians' for a reason.
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We'd be better off with as many of them as possible to offset the ravages to this country and our society from the Godless ones who are without any moral principles except whatever the law says is right or wrong.

And even then many don't care about the law.

It's like many/most/all? new oil tankers are now required to have double hulls so that if the outer hull is ruptured the inner hull will contain the oil and prevent an environmental disaster like what happened in the...

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The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989, when Exxon Valdez, an oil tanker bound for Long Beach, California, ...
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Well, religious morality provides a secondary containment of man's excesses and helps prevent societal disasters large and small.

But without Christianity present in our society and in the schools there is often nothing to contain the savage passions and imaginations of our young people who listen to Cop Killer in their headphones and watch violent films and play virtual role playing games which simulate killing so realistically that the heartbeats and respiration of game players is almost as elevated as that of those who are in real life and death situations.

And there is NOTHING that acts to buffer these walking menaces to society.

And you bright boys and girls say the problems plaguing America is too much religion.

That is the screwiest damn thing there could ever be.

Absolutely looney tunes.
 
William Rea said:
As far as I understand it from those who claim to know more about it, there is, at some point, going to be retribution on a personal level and on a global level if we don't do what the big man 'wants'. That is fear inducing dogma.
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If you don't believe in it then you can and should ignore it.

It's like the way I regard, "Dancing With The Stars."

I don't get into it so it's not for me and their judges are judging those who ARE into it and why should I care how they judge the dancers?
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
If you don't believe in it then you can and should ignore it.

It's like the way I regard, "Dancing With The Stars."

I don't get into it so it's not for me and their judges are judging those who ARE into it and why should I care how they judge the dancers?
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Dancing With Stars doesn't tend to want to change much in my life, politicised religion on the other hand...
 
William Rea said:
Dr Bill was transgendered?
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Stop your indiscriminate splooging on Dr. Bill.

I think maybe you happened on this thread by mistake.

You were looking for the Attention Whores Anonymous thread, yes?
 
William Rea said:
Dancing With Stars doesn't tend to want to change much in my life, politicised religion on the other hand...
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I hear you can marry anyone you want now and stop playing the victim.

So the prisoners in Ireland must all be atwitter over which will be the lucky guy to win your heart and whatever favors you might deliver.
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
I hear you can marry anyone you want now and stop playing the victim.

So the prisoners in Ireland must all be atwitter over which will be the lucky guy to win your heart and whatever favors you might deliver.
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You didn't need to repeat it buddy, I knew where you were going and, you know what? I consider it a badge of honour to be called gay regardless of my orientation so I will own it for you.

So, tell me about how it is not 'fear inducing dogma'.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Why does it seem so many who believe in Abrahamic religions are also those who fearmonger the most, AND who also appear the most afraid?
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I don't know that I agree with your assessment. Judaism claims that God and Heaven are unknowable. There's no point in dwelling on what comes next, as long as you aim to be a good human being and do your best in the now. Islam describes God in greater detail, but still leaves it agentless and formless, which in a way makes it unknowable as well, hence the depiction of Allah in form as being a defilement. Christians seem to be the only ones who directly depict God and the Prophets, and in the most contrived ways. These forms have given rise to a lot of dogmatic contradictions, and there are historical conflating factors. For instance, the notion that Hell is fire and brimstone comes from the literary work of Dante's Infero. There's nothing about the Old Testament which describes Hell in this manner, other than being an existence devoid of God.

The Abrahamic faiths, nonetheless, espouse a God that is external and governing. There's no point in turning inward, as a doctrine, because God determines everything. The appeal must be made to "out there" somewhere.

My perception is that the only Christians who have really gone astray are certain brands of American Christian. That's pretty much it. You can't even teach those Christians how to meditate because they are so afraid of letting go for even a second and letting the devil in. All reason has been abandoned. On the whole, I'd say the world of Christianity is relatively benevolent in this modern age and I don't see the fear you're talking about.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't know that I agree with your assessment. Judaism claims that God and Heaven are unknowable. There's no point in dwelling on what comes next, as long as you aim to be a good human being and do your best in the now. Islam describes God in greater detail, but still leaves it agentless and formless, which in a way makes it unknowable as well, hence the depiction of Allah in form as being a defilement. Christians seem to be the only ones who directly depict God and the Prophets, and in the most contrived ways. These forms have given rise to a lot of dogmatic contradictions, and there are historical conflating factors. For instance, the notion that Hell is fire and brimstone comes from the literary work of Dante's Infero. There's nothing about the Old Testament which describes Hell in this manner, other than being an existence devoid of God.

The Abrahamic faiths, nonetheless, espouse a God that is external and governing. There's no point in turning inward, as a doctrine, because God determines everything. The appeal must be made to "out there" somewhere.

My perception is that the only Christians who have really gone astray are certain brands of American Christian. That's pretty much it. You can't even teach those Christians how to meditate because they are so afraid of letting go for even a second and letting the devil in. All reason has been abandoned. On the whole, I'd say the world of Christianity is relatively benevolent in this modern age and I don't see the fear you're talking about.
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Awesome post.

I'm speaking mainly about the people who outwardly and openly condemn things like SSM, modern society, marijuana laws....

I'm looking mainly at many of the threads posted here at DP and especially a very select handful of members who like to almost threaten others about the eternal hell they're going to suffer in for merely accepting change.

Then there's the politicians that want to infuse more of the bible into the government and constitution.

Then there's your evangelicals.

I have Jehovah's Witness's as inlaws. I see a lot of fear coming from them.

Then you got your Pat Robertson types who want to suggest god is punishing us with hurricanes and earth quakes because we as a society are falling away from "god's word".

Do I see fear everyday in open society? Nope. Not at all.
Do I see it when specific topics arise in more closely guarded conversations? Hell yeah I do.
 
Dragonfly said:
Why are the religious so afraid? Why is everything wrapped in fear? I thought your "god" was loving, caring, forgiving, and understanding?

Is it sort of a symbiotic relationship between two irrational thought processes?

If you believe in your heart that you are doing the right thing, why do things other people do (that don't effect you) bother you so freakin much?

This is why I am more drawn to Taoism than western religions. Contentment and peace come from within. Forcing, influencing, or manipulating others isn't part of that formula.

FEAR isn't part of inner peace and contentment.

Why does it seem so many who believe in Abrahamic religions are also those who fearmonger the most, AND who also appear the most afraid?

Same-sex marriage is a perfect example of the irrational fear I'm talking about.
If somebody is going to be punished because two gay people get married, wouldn't those same people be punished because of thousands of other reasons that thousands of other people do every damn day?

What kind of asinine god would punish a straight, married, christian female in her 50's simply because a gay couple got married a 1000 miles away from her?

My only reasoning with why somebody would be so worried about what other people do, is that they are extremely insecure with what they themselves are doing.

Can somebody be a "good ___________" and not be fearful of what others believe/do?
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Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not afraid. I'm nakedly fearless.

He is.

Are you having mixed feelings?

Interdependence, we're all connected.

Then balance should be your path, which when not interpreting things in a screwy sort of way, you will see most religions promote.

Correct.

They don't, that's called projection

SSM isn't balanced. No Yin and Yang only Yang and more Yang.

He wouldn't, that's a perversion you created.

Nope. No insecurity, and this is really confusing to see how you came to this conclusion. You have to have a pretty tight reign on your security to be able to demand that what you say is right. If you were insecure, you'd be unsure, and that usually means you'd keep your trap shut.

No one is fearful of what others do.
 
I'm afraid of spiders and moths. They make my skin crawl.
 
Dragonfly said:
Why are the religious so afraid? Why is everything wrapped in fear? I thought your "god" was loving, caring, forgiving, and understanding?

Is it sort of a symbiotic relationship between two irrational thought processes?

If you believe in your heart that you are doing the right thing, why do things other people do (that don't effect you) bother you so freakin much?

This is why I am more drawn to Taoism than western religions. Contentment and peace come from within. Forcing, influencing, or manipulating others isn't part of that formula.

FEAR isn't part of inner peace and contentment.

Why does it seem so many who believe in Abrahamic religions are also those who fearmonger the most, AND who also appear the most afraid?

Same-sex marriage is a perfect example of the irrational fear I'm talking about.
If somebody is going to be punished because two gay people get married, wouldn't those same people be punished because of thousands of other reasons that thousands of other people do every damn day?

What kind of asinine god would punish a straight, married, christian female in her 50's simply because a gay couple got married a 1000 miles away from her?

My only reasoning with why somebody would be so worried about what other people do, is that they are extremely insecure with what they themselves are doing.

Can somebody be a "good ___________" and not be fearful of what others believe/do?
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Wow. That reads like a rant - a melt down!

And by the looks of it - it's brought on by fear!



First, you go on and on about fear, and Abrahamic religions - that everything is wrapped up in fear. Why should you wonder that fear is a part of the Abrahamic religion? Haven't you heard about the biblical teaching - FEAR OF THE LORD?

Yep. That must be big news to you, huh - considering that you didn't know about that part. It ain't you or me who's calling the shots here, at least that's what we Christians believe.



You blame it as the reason for being drawn to Taoism, and you say "peace and contentment come from within." Yet you're proving yourself wrong - by your own words!

Read your post. That you sound angry is an understatement. You sound agitated, too!

Your tone and your language doesn't project that so-called peace and contentment you speak about that should come from Taoism.



Well Dragonfly, let me bounce this back at you: if you believe in your heart that you are doing the right thing, why do things Christians believe (that SHOULDN'T effect you) bother you so freakin much? After all, you're not a christian, are you? You're a taoist!

What are you so afraid of? :lol:
 
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Dragonfly said:
Modern conservatism = ignorance and hypocrisy :roll::roll:

(see how that works)

Meanwhile look at the SSM thing and the backlash. How is that not completely about fear?
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Fear? How odd.....I supposed it depends on individual's mindframe. The backlash isn't of fear.....sounds more like outrage to me.


Roberts's argument centered around the need to preserve states' rights over what he viewed as following the turn of public opinion. In ruling in favor of gay marriage, he said, "Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law."

"Understand well what this dissent is about: It is not about whether, in my judgment, the institution of marriage should be changed to include same-sex couples. It is instead about whether, in our democratic republic, that decision should rest with the people acting through their elected representatives, or with five lawyers who happen to hold commissions authorizing them to resolve legal disputes according to law," he wrote.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/marriage-same-sex-gay-supreme-court-dissent-20150626



The "traditional marriage" phrase and it's use is fear.
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Eh? How on earth does the usage of "traditional marriage" phrase be, fear?

You're too obsessed with fear, imho. :roll:



People ranting about how the "rights of the religious" are under attack is fear.
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No, it's not out of fear, silly.

Some people are just on their guard when it comes to rights. We can't afford to be apathetic if we want to preserve the kind of freedom we're used to.
It's best to be on the side of caution.
 
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Dragonfly said:
I have Jehovah's Witness's as inlaws. I see a lot of fear coming from them.
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You give me the visuals of that kid in the movie Sixth Sense, who reluctantly whispered in fear: "I see dead people." :mrgreen:


You see a lot of fear. Period. And it's not healthy.

It's one thing if it's something that should concern you. Like if you're a JW - and your doctrine teaches you to fear God.

But you're a taoist, for crying out loud!



Yet you go on..... and on...... and on ....and on......about fear that Christians have for their God.

You see fear everywhere! Even in simple phrases like "traditional marriage."

You're the one with the fear problem - not your in-laws! :lol:
 
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