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What would make you attack?

sorry about Elvis, Superfly. good job finding him a home, but i'm sure that doesn't make it any easier.

Thanks, hon. It's been tough. It's even tougher holding on to him, knowing he's going. The guy I found is transferring to Savannah from out West, and can't take him until he closes on his house. It's hard looking at him every day, knowing that I am going to lose him, but even harder knowing that I have to keep the both of them separated now because he'll go after her otherwise.

I had probably 100 people asking for him, but English Bulldogs are a difficult breed to raise, and I wouldn't let him go to anyone whose first question was "how much?" and I wouldn't let him go to anyone who'd never owned an EB. I had probably 20 people say, "I have a big back yard for him." That means nothing to an EB owner, because they can't run around in a big back yard very much because they can't cool themselves like regular dogs can. So out of all the people, I think I have found a winner. It's just rough to go through. If it were something physical, we could get it fixed and move on, but with it being mental, he may just have developed something against Lily, and that's why we made the choice to just let him go to another home, with no other dogs and no small kids. The owner knows about his aggression, so it won't be a surprise for him. Just wish he would hurry up and take him so I could get on with getting over him.
 
someone trying to hurt my animals / family.

Yea... See. I don't own any animals. However, as far as family is concerned, that's the kind of thing I'd be willing to potentially kill over, not just "attack."
 
Well if you show fear...Nah. I know. Some dogs just have bad owners. I recommend spray or a something like a Mini baseball bat depending on how common it is.

In the UK, pepper spray and things like bats can get you arrested. You cannot carry a weapon around with you and pepper spray is considered (wrongly) as a weapon - which is why my belt has had to serve when I needed. Funny thing with the last time, I crossed a path 10 metres in front of a woman and two kids walking their doberman and was about 20 feet further on my way home when it suddenly decided it wanted to attack. (Maybe a pheromone thing then?) Luckily it wasn't attack trained so I was able to fend it off while the woman screamed "you're not going to beat my dog!" at me like I was the aggressor...

I know how to punch. Don't roll your hand like with boxing gloves because you can land on the wrong knuckles. You will break the ring and pinky every time. I typically fight dirty (throat, eyes, nuts) and I'm a grappler. But all that is me. It is a lot harder to consider a fight if you just don't physically have the ability or knowledge.

A lot of people swing and miss too which really saps your energy.
 
no. my dog weighs four pounds, and won't bite you unless you've been dropped from my dinner plate.



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i'm talking about someone who tries to hurt my animals or my family. i don't do the mean, tough dog thing. if a violent animal tried to hurt Jenny, i would try to save her. other than that, Helix is a peaceful dude. so is Jenny.

Lol. I wasn't real sure about the size. ;)
 
If anyone was foolish enough to touch my stuff:

 
So I want to know what would make you fight? Fist fight. And more importantly...ATTACK. It isn't important what would make you defend yourself. That is different. Most people might consider fighting back if someone else throws the first punch. So for your...what would make you throw it?

For me? It would take a lot. It would have to involve endangering others or physically harming them. Maybe some form of threats? But I'm not sure. I've only threatened to attack and meant it to ONE person in my life. And I was in high school. I was also being "bullied" and goaded by someone who should have known better.

But again? To throw the FIRST punch? That is tough.
It didn't "take a lot", it only took him coming at me. One foot-jab to his ankle later and he was on the ground, I walked away, and that was the end of it. I don't think I even hurt him, just made him fall. There was no thinking about it first, no internal debate. Cause, effect. Action, reaction. It was over before I knew it began.

He still has an attitude but he keeps his distance.
 
Reminds me of this scene of a priest being provoked in Fight Club.


For the uninitiated, Fight Club members were tasked with provoking a fight and loosing said fight. The priest won that engagement.
 
Whatever.

Best comeback ever. So logical. Much wow.

If you are going to quote quotes of peace from the Bible, you should at least try to live that way. Otherwise, don't be surprised when someone calls you on your hypocrisy.

You don't sound very peaceable in my opinion. Honestly, you sound like a bully and a hothead, which is nothing at all like what your sig line suggests.

Since you're knowledgeable about the bible yet non-Christian, I'm going to assume that you know that the bible is full of violence, and half the time the violence is praised as good. So it is within that context that my signature should be understood. The line is spoken to the Jewish priests (and to Israel as a whole), who were often engaged in warfare. A peaceful life is just when in accordance with a Godly life. That is the understanding. As soon as Israel veered from God, they met war.

To take this into personal life, I do give peace. I just don't limit myself to it. There are other options other than pacifism, and sometimes they are the better moral choice. It depends entirely on circumstance. The only person I've ever been truly violent toward was beating up a 5th grader. He and his dad came to my house later that night. His dad made him apologize to me and told me I did right. I am confident that my use of violence is not due to me being a hothead or a bully. I have only ever used violence to defend myself and others from bullies and hotheads.
 
I love that video. Especially when the tough guy is trying to be tough on legs that might as well be be wet spaghetti lol.

The point showing that is that I woudl attack someone if they were attacking someone else, who was defenseless.
 
Since you're knowledgeable about the bible yet non-Christian, I'm going to assume that you know that the bible is full of violence, and half the time the violence is praised as good. So it is within that context that my signature should be understood. The line is spoken to the Jewish priests (and to Israel as a whole), who were often engaged in warfare. A peaceful life is just when in accordance with a Godly life. That is the understanding. As soon as Israel veered from God, they met war.

To take this into personal life, I do give peace. I just don't limit myself to it. There are other options other than pacifism, and sometimes they are the better moral choice. It depends entirely on circumstance. The only person I've ever been truly violent toward was beating up a 5th grader. He and his dad came to my house later that night. His dad made him apologize to me and told me I did right. I am confident that my use of violence is not due to me being a hothead or a bully. I have only ever used violence to defend myself and others from bullies and hotheads.

First of all, who are you to think you can determine whether or not I am a Christian? Clearly you know nothing about me.

Secondly - regarding your response:

The only person I've ever been truly violent toward was beating up a 5th grader. He and his dad came to my house later that night. His dad made him apologize to me and told me I did right. I am confident that my use of violence is not due to me being a hothead or a bully. I have only ever used violence to defend myself and others from bullies and hotheads.

I will again refer you to this comment:

I would throw the first punch if someone was stealing from me. I would throw it again if they refused to give it back. I'd throw the punch if someone was hitting on my girlfriend and didn't care she had a boyfriend. I'd throw the punch if one of my friends was being treated poorly.

Sooo....... you only beat up a 5th grader? All this braggadocio about how you'd beat up this guy and beat up that guy is just that - bragging. All you really have to brag about is how you beat up a 5th grader. Yet you are wanting people to believe that you'd beat up somebody if they did this, or they'd beat up somebody if they did that.

:lol: Priceless.
 
Sooo....... you only beat up a 5th grader? All this braggadocio about how you'd beat up this guy and beat up that guy is just that - bragging. All you really have to brag about is how you beat up a 5th grader. Yet you are wanting people to believe that you'd beat up somebody if they did this, or they'd beat up somebody if they did that.

:lol: Priceless.

I didn't beat up a 5th grader. An 11th grader was beating up a 5th grader. I beat up the 11th grade kid as a 10th grade kid.

And sure, if you wanna call it bragging, go ahead. I totally get my jollies from bragging on the internet... :/ These scenarios have never happened to me. But they've happened to people I know. And sometimes they act violent and sometimes they don't. And so I put myself in there shoes and think about what I would do. I wanted to support the idea that initiating violent conflict is not necessarily unjust and gave personal reflection on different scenarios.

And you're right, I know nearly nothing about you. However, what you've expressed so far does not fit my understanding of the description of Christian. Not to say you've been immoral. In fact, you're calling me out on behavior, which I think is a wonderful trait that everyone should have. I like that you are not steering away from the conflict, but think you see a problem and instruct for what you think is a better way. This, I think, fits perfectly into Christian morals. I don't mean "she's unsaved" either. I have little secret liberal tendencies that make me believe it is not impossible for atheists to be ignorantly faithful. So even if you weren't Christian, I wasn't making some "you're going to hell" comment.

What I mean is that for the last 3000 years, pacifism has been the minority opinion of Judaism and Christianity, you're picture is an old gay rights logo, and your argumentation ignored the fact that the bible authorizes violence. You do not appear to follow the traditional beliefs of Christianity. Also, this is the internet, and most people on here are areligious. The assumption I made wasn't to be a douche. My apologies.
 
I didn't beat up a 5th grader. An 11th grader was beating up a 5th grader. I beat up the 11th grade kid as a 10th grade kid.

And sure, if you wanna call it bragging, go ahead. I totally get my jollies from bragging on the internet... :/ These scenarios have never happened to me. But they've happened to people I know. And sometimes they act violent and sometimes they don't. And so I put myself in there shoes and think about what I would do. I wanted to support the idea that initiating violent conflict is not necessarily unjust and gave personal reflection on different scenarios.

And you're right, I know nearly nothing about you. However, what you've expressed so far does not fit my understanding of the description of Christian. Not to say you've been immoral. In fact, you're calling me out on behavior, which I think is a wonderful trait that everyone should have. I like that you are not steering away from the conflict, but think you see a problem and instruct for what you think is a better way. This, I think, fits perfectly into Christian morals. I don't mean "she's unsaved" either. I have little secret liberal tendencies that make me believe it is not impossible for atheists to be ignorantly faithful. So even if you weren't Christian, I wasn't making some "you're going to hell" comment.

What I mean is that for the last 3000 years, pacifism has been the minority opinion of Judaism and Christianity, you're picture is an old gay rights logo, and your argumentation ignored the fact that the bible authorizes violence. You do not appear to follow the traditional beliefs of Christianity. Also, this is the internet, and most people on here are areligious. The assumption I made wasn't to be a douche. My apologies.

Apology accepted.

Signed,
A Christian who believes in marriage equality and turning the other cheek
 
me throwing the first punch.....

one time in 50+ years

after a 15yr old guy beat up my 12 year old sister....because she "stole" his sisters boyfriend

at least that is the story that surfaced as to why he beat my sister up

he was older....i was bigger, meaner, and pissed off

my pop would have kicked my ass if i hadnt defended my family

where i was defending (two other situations, both while in my late teens or early 20's, and i was locked up both times for a few hours until all the details came out)

was actually charged in one case, but charges were later dropped

one of them, my first sergeant had to come get me from the local sheriff's office

not a good day
 
Apology accepted.

Signed,
A Christian who believes in marriage equality and turning the other cheek

I think Jesus had no problem with violence. That just isn't for evangelism. Islam took over a good chunk of the world by sword. I would say that violence and mission work are incompatible, not that violence is inherently bad. Turning the other cheek, telling peter to put his sword down, and quietly going to his death were all part of evangelism or Christ's death on the cross. Jesus said being a soldier was fine (just accept an honest income) and himself threw people's stuff around while yelling at them. If Jesus was a pacifist, he would have disowned the occupation of a soldier and condemned the money changers without personal violence. Why do you try to push pacifism further?

We'll discuss marriage equality later ;)
 
If some pos has gone beyond the pale in some way. As in lay a hand on my wife. Normally, tho, it would just be to pre-emptively end an attack that I have decided is going to be made by the other guy. And it won't be a punch that I throw. It will be an eye gouge, or a nut-grab, depending upon where his hands are at the time.
 
So I want to know what would make you fight? Fist fight. And more importantly...ATTACK. It isn't important what would make you defend yourself. That is different. Most people might consider fighting back if someone else throws the first punch. So for your...what would make you throw it?

For me? It would take a lot. It would have to involve endangering others or physically harming them. Maybe some form of threats? But I'm not sure. I've only threatened to attack and meant it to ONE person in my life. And I was in high school. I was also being "bullied" and goaded by someone who should have known better.

But again? To throw the FIRST punch? That is tough.

I can think of many people from my past who if I saw them again i would initiate the fight. or hope they would respond with violence. some things are difficult to let go.
 
I'm in the mood to punch somebody. Any excuse will do. :lamo
 
I felt like punching a few people thru the phone today, disputing a rejected insurance claim. They all try to pass responsibility, when if anyone is to blame it's certainly not me. If it had been a face to face conversion, i would've punched that bitch

i have also sworn off jainism as a result of this exchange
 
Assuming my target wasn't already physically assaulting someone what would make me throw the first punch? There is no personal insult anyone could throw at me that would make me throw a first punch.

I suppose if someone made a very aggressive verbal assault on my wife or children I would get pissed enough to get physical. But even then I don't think it would be a punch. I would likely shove them REALLY hard and start yelling at them at the top of my lungs. I am a fairly big dude and can be pretty scary when I lose my temper.
 
I can't conceive of a situation in which I would attack (throw the first punch). Even when attacked, my response has been to remove myself from the situation, rather than respond with violence. That does not mean that a situation may not arise when I will respond with violence. It does, however, mean that I will not be the aggressor.
 
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