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Blast from the Past! The Epicurean paradox from 300 BC!

Paralogic

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Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon [sic] websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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Psalms 53:1: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

A greater fool, yet, is the one arrogantly presumes to cast adverse judgement against God, based on his own ignorance.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Psalms 53:1: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

A greater fool, yet, is the one arrogantly presumes to cast adverse judgement against God, based on his own ignorance.
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Q. E. D.

Ignorance is bliss... that's why religion is so popular.
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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because for thousands of years, the question has been answered. God is not limited to malevolence or benevolence, but rather he is the source of both, to test man in judgement. If you don't believe me, see for yourself

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?
Daniel 2:22
He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with him.
Isaiah 31:2
Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster; he does not take back his words. He will rise up against that wicked nation, against those who help evildoers.
Psalm 105:28
He sent darkness and made the land dark-- for had they not rebelled against his words?
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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If God and evil can't co-exist, why does there have to not be a God? Why can't there not be evil?
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
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God is able and willing to prevent evil, and will at the end of the age. And he is omnipotent.

Paralogic said:
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
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He is able and willing, so he is not malevolent.

Paralogic said:
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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I don't know why you think that was some kind of proof there is no God. The Bible is clear that God sends the evil into the Pit in the Book of Revelation.

Evil currently exists for a time because God created man with free will.

So the question to you is: How would you, if you were God, create man with free will and at the same time not allow him to choose evil if he wishes? That's the real question!

You might also read Job chapters 1 and 2 to see that God is allowing a challenge by Satan to God's Kingdom; to be fair so that mankind will know Satan's way fails, and so that man can have time to try out his own mindless contrivances for a period of time. But at the end of the age it's over. Finis.
 
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Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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Proof?

Not!



Man's reasoning is being used to define that which he has no clue of what they mean to a G-d.
 
You are all wrong as was he. You are all basing your arguments on the wrong premise!
 
Juanita said:
You are all wrong as was he. You are all basing your arguments on the wrong premise!
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No.
My premise is sound.

But since you thing everyone else is wrong in their premise, why not state yours?
 
Excon said:
No.
My premise is sound.

But since you thing everyone else is wrong in their premise, why not state yours?
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I believe your premise was just demolished in Post # 6, unless you can answer the question I posted there and address what was presented.
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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I'll one up this. If God does not exist, then flying puppies exist. Flying puppies do not exist, therefore God exists. You can't refute that.
 
Excon said:
No.
My premise is sound.

But since you thing everyone else is wrong in their premise, why not state yours?
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The only truth started in this thread is that man was created with free will! Man is a spiritual Being temporarily in physical form. Man chose to be born into this world. The Source/Universal Intelligence/God neither rewards nor punishes, nor does he interfere in your life. That is why you have free will! The so called God of the Bible does not exist! The Source of All That Is is Love! There is no negativity in the world of spirit--no devil, no Satan, no fallen angels, no hell. Religion is FEAR, which is the biggest obstacle faced by mankind! Take it or leave it!
 
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Logicman said:
I believe your premise was just demolished in Post # 6, unless you can answer the question I posted there and address what was presented.
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What you believe and what factual is, are two different things.

You haven't and couldn't refute the following.

Man's reasoning is being used to define that which he has no clue of what they mean to a G_d.​
 
Juanita said:
The only truth started in this thread is that man was created with free will! Man is a spiritual Being temporarily in physical form. Man chose to be born into this world. The Source/Universal Intelligence/God neither rewards nor punishes, nor does he interfere in your life. That is why you have free will! The so called God of the Bible does not exist! The Source of All That Is is Love! There is no negativity in the world of spirit--no devil, no Satan, no fallen angels, no hell. Religion is FEAR, which is the biggest obstacle faced by mankind! Take it or leave it!
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What you spout is belief, not truth.
 
Paralogic said:
Here's more proof that religion set back civilization for thousands of years. The question about gods was posed by Epikouros (better spelling than the Epicurus on comon websites) around 300 B.C.

NO ONE supporter of deism was ever able to respond to this question since Epikouros posed it. Here it is:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" — 'the Epicurean paradox'. "

That's the proof there are no gods.
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Evil serves a training purpose, thus god is not malevolent and you have no argument

/thread
 
Juanita said:
WTF? Are you just trying to have the last word?
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Wtf? Are you?
This is the philosophical arena.
You can't even prove a G_d exists to make such contorted arguments.
That is why the discussion ends with the fact that you are only spouting a belief which is for you to take or leave. Not me.
 
Excon said:
You haven't and couldn't refute the following.

Man's reasoning is being used to define that which he has no clue of what they mean to a G_d.​
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Yada yada.... That's nonsense.

How come you couldn't answer the following question? Care to try answering it now?

How would you, if you were God, create man with free will and at the same time not allow him to choose evil if he wishes?
 
Logicman said:
Yada yada.... That's nonsense.

How come you couldn't answer the following question? Care to try answering it now?

How would you, if you were God, create man with free will and at the same time not allow him to choose evil if he wishes?
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You still haven't and couldn't refute the following.

Man's reasoning is being used to define that which he has no clue of what they mean to a G_d.​

So don't bother to ask your irrelevant questions.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
...to test man in judgement...
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So, your god will indiscriminately kill hundreds of thousands of people all the way around the world in order to test your belief at the opposite side of the planet? All these lives where and are props for your belief? Multiply this for millions of times when unnecessary death and destruction occured throughout human history.

In addition to being self-centered to a mental disorder level, I question how people choose to make this claim when they themselves know that this claim is false. If they think that it's true then we have recently explained the causes and symptoms of delusion.
 
Grand Mal said:
If God and evil can't co-exist, why does there have to not be a God? Why can't there not be evil?
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Because evil doesn't exist either. Evil is a deistic idea - a result of human imagination.

Don't confuse "evil" with "justifiable destruction". Human language is often inadequate to deal with reality.
 
Logicman said:
God is able and willing to prevent evil ...
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That statement is provably false. Therefore the rest of your argument is false too, by definition.
 
Paleocon said:
If God does not exist, then flying puppies exist. Flying puppies do not exist, therefore God exists. You can't refute that.
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You'll fail any introductory course in Logic with this. Read up on Logic 101. People can't just spew random utterances and pretend what they say is logically true. Religion works like that. Logic does not.
 
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