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Agnostic is the only logical faith.

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When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.
 
it is the easiest way ........I can say I dont know either beacuse I dont know.I just believe.none of us have met god yet.
 
No. I'm an agnostic turned atheist after concluding that there was no modicum of evidence to suggest otherwise.
 
When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.

Let me give you my opinion on this, because it is not that far removed from yours.

I've said for a while now, and received plenty of both positive and negative feedback for doing so, that Theism and Atheism are flip sides of the same coin. Both involve a belief that something is or is not, without the ability to prove it. Breaking it down along definition lines makes Theism nothing more than the belief in God or Gods. Atheism is then the disbelief in God or Gods. The issue then comes down to a suggestion both make but neither really knows.

I refer to them as flip sides of the same coin for several reasons. One, they do tend to make that profession of faith as a "matter of fact." Two, they both end up being a system of belief as neither is provable in terms of scientific process or empirical reason. Lastly, they both tend to claim they are right.

Agnosticism then is about coming to the conclusion that these systems of belief are based on the unknowable. Someone who neither does believe or does not believe in a God or Gods is suggesting what you conclude. We do not know, and perhaps cannot know, in present context. It takes a system of belief to bridge the gap.

It is easy for any of this to end up in conversations based on anger or arrogance as no one at the end of the day wants to be told that their system of belief is wrong, and that is one key reason why there are so many systems of belief out there. Humanity for as long as recorded history tells us has continually come up with new systems of belief along the way to explain what otherwise could not. At least until the age of philosophy and science told us to question then discover.

It has been my experience that more times than not people to lean agnostic tend to get there by a level of resolve that neither theism or atheism allows, and as such tend to be the least militant about their position on the matter. Because, and rather ironically, there is less ego involved in having to be right about "not knowing." You end up with a modest, perhaps humble, interpretation on the limitations of humanity in the obtainment of that knowledge that neither theism or atheism is really interested in. We already know why, systems of belief are not rooted in facts. They are rooted in their belief one way or the other.
 
I don't think I'd classify agnosticism as any type of faith, since it is essentially making a statement which says, "I don't know".
To me, faith implies that one believes in something.
 
No. I'm an agnostic turned atheist after concluding that there was no modicum of evidence to suggest otherwise.

Are you claiming that you know for a fact a God/Gods do not exist? And do you have empirical proof?
 
Are you claiming that you know for a fact a God/Gods do not exist? And do you have empirical proof?
I know for a fact that there is no evidence that a deity exists. The burden of proof lays upon those who assert that something that ISN'T empirically observable actually exists.
 
I don't think I'd classify agnosticism as any type of faith, since it is essentially making a statement which says, "I don't know".
To me, faith implies that one believes in something.

It has to be mentioned when clarifying what faith is. Especially since it seems so many people are ignoring or forgetting there is a middle ground that is a more logical approach.
 
I know for a fact that there is no evidence that a deity exists. The burden of proof lays upon those who assert that something that ISN'T empirically observable actually exists.

Prove to me that God is not the conscience in every persons mind that encourages thought and feelings.

The burden of proof shifted. For some you also need to prove a God/Gods did not invent the universe. For others, you'd have to prove we're not inside a computer program.
 
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When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.


For an atheist, definitely agnosticism is the logical position. Thus we see some of them striving to link their belief with agnosticism (some claim to be agnostic-atheists).

Theism is also a logical position if there is logical (reasons) to support that belief. There are logical reasons to support theism, therefore it is a logical position on that basis.
 
Wrong. You prove to me that God IS the conscience in every persons mind.

God is energy, energy is the communication process of the mind. Energy is everywhere passing information all the time, digital devices are proof of this. Wireless telepathy shouldn't be hard to fathom.
Anyways, that was just a thought I pondered a long while ago researching something about quantum physics. I obviously have flaws in the hypothesis, but it was something I thought was a good example of how we can't really know.
 
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When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.

What do you think about invisible pink unicorns? Do you call yourself an invisible pink unicorn agnostic because it would be too much of an intellectual jump to just say you don't believe in it? Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Being an atheist does not mean that you think it's a 100% fact that there is no god, just that there is zero evidence to support the existence of one.

The burden of proof requires the person making the positive claim to prove it. For instance:

Believer: Invisible pink unicorns exist!
Non-believer: I don't believe that.

You really think these two statements are equal and opposite? It is the believer's burden to prove his positive statement. The non-believer has nothing to prove.

God is energy, energy is the communication process of the mind. Energy is everywhere passing information all the time, digital devices are proof of this. Wireless telepathy shouldn't be hard to fathom.

Actually now that I see you writing this I suspect we won't be getting very far.
 
For an atheist, definitely agnosticism is the logical position. Thus we see some of them striving to link their belief with agnosticism (some claim to be agnostic-atheists).

Theism is also a logical position if there is logical (reasons) to support that belief. There are logical reasons to support theism, therefore it is a logical position on that basis.

No... There is no empirical proof.
 
God is energy, energy is the communication process of the mind. Energy is everywhere passing information all the time, digital devices are proof of this. Wireless telepathy shouldn't be hard to fathom.
Anyways, that was just a thought I pondered a long while ago researching something about quantum physics. I obviously have flaws in the hypothesis, but it was something I thought was a good example of how we can't really know.

Tell us more about this telepathy via wires.
 
What do you think about invisible pink unicorns? Do you call yourself an invisible pink unicorn agnostic because it would be too much of an intellectual jump to just say you don't believe in it? Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Being an atheist does not mean that you think it's a 100% fact that there is no god, just that there is zero evidence to support the existence of one.

The burden of proof requires the person making the positive claim to prove it. For instance:

Believer: Invisible pink unicorns exist!
Non-believer: I don't believe that.

You really think these two statements are equal and opposite? It is the believer's burden to prove his positive statement. The non-believer has nothing to prove.



Actually now that I see you writing this I suspect we won't be getting very far.

You are comparing our understanding of Earth, to our understanding of the universe. That's not a fair comparison to begin with.
Earth has been 70% explored. Space, maybe a trillionth...
Finding a new species of something that rare would be highly unlikely.
The odds of finding a unicorn, are something like a million to one. The odds a God does or does not exist is 50/50.
 
I don't think I'd classify agnosticism as any type of faith, since it is essentially making a statement which says, "I don't know".
To me, faith implies that one believes in something.

Can the unknown be believed in?
 
Tell us more about this telepathy via wires.

That's actually somewhat possible. Science is amazing!!!!

I can't find what I was looking for. Apparently there is a device out there that can read your mental frequencies well enough to guess, and be correct at times, about what image a person is thinking of.
 
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You are comparing our understanding of Earth, to our understanding of the universe. That's not a fair comparison to begin with.
Earth has been 70% explored. Space, maybe a trillionth...
Finding a new species of something that rare would be highly unlikely.
The odds of finding a unicorn, are something like a million to one. The odds a God does or does not exist is 50/50.

50/50? Can you back that up with facts and statistics? Just because there are only two options (God exists or doesn't) doesn't mean they're both 50/50 likely. There are also only two options for invisible pink unicorns. They either exist or they don't.

Theism is making up an invisible friend, atheism is simply stating you don't believe in that until there's evidence. These two positions and not equal and opposite and it is on the theist to back up his claims. Making up things is not the same as not making up things.
 
50/50? Can you back that up with facts and statistics? Just because there are only two options (God exists or doesn't) doesn't mean they're both 50/50 likely. There are also only two options for invisible pink unicorns. They either exist or they don't.

Theism is making up an invisible friend, atheism is simply stating you don't believe in that until there's evidence. These two positions and not equal and opposite and it is on the theist to back up his claims. Making up things is not the same as not making up things.

What alters the odds?
 
That's actually somewhat possible. Science is amazing!!!!

I can't find what I was looking for. Apparently there is a device out there that can read your mental frequencies well enough to guess, and be correct at times, about what image a person is thinking of.

That's not telepathy. Telepathy has never been shown to exist.
 
No... There is no empirical proof.

There is. Just look around you.

Anyway, proofs and evidence/reasons are not the same thing. I'm talking about evidence(s).
The evidence in my favor are numerous.
 
When it comes to faith, there are three main branches. Theist, atheist, and agnostic. Theists have a belief in a higher power, and atheists have no belief in a higher power. Agnostics are the people who are comfortable saying "I don't know".
People can be agnostic and still lean more towards an atheist or theist belief. It's when a faith system is poised to be a matter of fact that it becomes harmful to healthy communication. Once a bias becomes bigoted anyways.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but some people are so cocky when presenting their faith, whether it's atheist or theist, that it appears they need to be reminded of their illogical "matter of fact" conclusions.

Nota bene: Atheism is not the absence of deistic belief, but its rejection. It is more active than non-belief. It is the belief there is no deity. That may seem subtle, but it is an important difference, if such differences have importance at all.
 
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