If a person is not actually living by the tenets of their religion, then they aren't Christians or Jews or Muslims or whatever. Sorry, they may claim it, but they aren't. So anyone who has been divorced, used contraception, had an abortion, judged anyone else's behavior that didn't directly effect them, medically recovered from life threatening illness or injury, and so on, isn't religious, they're just liars about being religious.Well that is good and logical. But you should probably not try and use YOUR definition of what is Christian. Not so much because it is "wrong," but because there are literally thousands of denominations of Christians (41,000) with a variety of views. And if you take certain churches (Like the Baptist church [I am not a member...but I do pick on them a little]), even in the SAME denomination they have varied views from church to church and person to person.
I am PC USA. We just allowed gay marriage in our Church. There are 3 books for PC USA. The Book of Confessions, Order, and the Bible. These dictate core concepts. There is debate on topics in the church. The meaning of passages. What translations mean. That kind of thing. And it changes. It is an attempt to correct a lot of the problems that are still hold overs from pre reformation times, and even during the reformation times.
I hope that makes sense. I am trying to caution you against lumping all Christians under and "assigned" view and then saying the rest are NOT Christians. That kind of thinking is what causes genocides. THOSE guys are believers. Those guys believe something basically the same, but slightly different so they NON believers and must die.
In fact, you did say it. I quoted you saying it.
If a person is not actually living by the tenets of their religion, then they aren't Christians or Jews or Muslims or whatever. Sorry, they may claim it, but they aren't. So anyone who has been divorced, used contraception, had an abortion, judged anyone else's behavior that didn't directly effect them, medically recovered from life threatening illness or injury, and so on, isn't religious, they're just liars about being religious.
Romans 3:23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard
Have you ever sat in a Christian Church? Because you are missing one MAJOR portion of Christianity:
More importantly though. You are committing the ahistoric fallacy (pigeonhole fallacy).
Pigeonholing Fallacy / Ahistoric Fallacy
You know fallacies are by their nature illogical and unsound arguments right?
Fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You guys always have wriggle when faced with the realities that very few truly believe, believe enough to live their supposed tenets. It would be different if those folks felt they had in fact "sinned" by being alive after their god tried to kill them, or refused to have the baby god allowed to be in their womb, or refused to let the womb grow a baby, or judged anyone not directly effecting them... they don't, hence why your attempt to salvage them won't work.
In a question. That is different than me calling it delusional. You still haven't clarified. I am waiting.
Yes, belief in anything for which there is no objective evidence is delusion.
AGAIN...a fallacious argument. Your argument is founded upon what YOU believe is Christianity. What YOU believe is Chrisitianity is NOT what Christianity is. NOR is what I believe Christianity. Christianity CANNOT be put into a SPECIFIC set of beliefs. As I stated...there are 41,000 versions of Christianity. Are you suggesting there is a RIGHT one? That would ALSO be fallacious to do so. You can't. I can't. I only know what I believe. I don't make that claim for others. That would be WRONG.
Your argument is WRONG at the fundamental logical level. It just is. You can't provide evidence as to what Christianity is supposed to believe. NOW. And if you argue this to religion as a whole, your pool of beliefs and versions grows even larger than 41,000. You would be trying to assign a specific "correct answer" to literally millions of beliefs.
This is like saying there is a CORRECT political party or form of government. This isn't wriggle. It is fact.
Noone alive today had anything to do with the crusades so bringing that up is exactly like blaming modern white people for slavory in 1700s.so touchy about religion?
Some people got riled up with the statement that when you look at human history more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
Noone alive today had anything to do with the crusades so bringing that up is exactly like blaming modern white people for slavory in 1700s.
You're basicaly blaming people for things that clearly aren't their fault and then you bitch when they don't like it.
You don't have to go back to the crusades to see that people are being killed in the name of god. What do you think ISIS is doing? What do you think we were saying as a country when we felt the need to add stupid stuff like "in god we trust" on our money, and such... If you're claiming god is on your side of a war, you're fighting in the name of god. And the USA has done that in every single conflict I've been alive to witness.
I was quite pleased when Obama tried to point out that the best way to avoid the current issues of religious zealotry and terrorism is to refuse to recognize any attachment to any religion. It hasn't worked, but it is the right idea. As long as people don't agree with that, and are willing to side with the terrorists in claiming it's a religious war, then it's a religious war. Now who thinks Obama's idea was crap and that the current terrorism is an Islam/Muslim issue.... rightwingers. You guys make them religious wars, pretty much all of them.
Christianity is about believing in the supposed word of god as transcribed in the New Testament. Most Christians don't, hence they are not Christians, regardless of the claim otherwise. A very hopeful situation.
It is also incorrect to claim religion has caused the most violence in history.
Again. A fallacious argument. Have you visited with all 41,000 denominations and their members?
I don't know anyone who has made that claim. Most violence through out history has been personal.
However most wars involve people claiming their god is the one and only and is on their side.
If that's not Christianity, then please illuminate me. Either you have firm belief and adherence to the New Testaments tenets, or you're not a Christian.
Again. I can't tell you what true Christianity is. I can only tell you what I believe. You have made it clear you don't care what I believe. So why would I share?
Additionally. I will not engage in the ahistoric fallacy that you have committed and seem content to continue.
Again. I can't tell you what true Christianity is. I can only tell you what I believe. You have made it clear you don't care what I believe. So why would I share?
Additionally. I will not engage in the ahistoric fallacy that you have committed and seem content to continue.
Delusion as in a mental illness?
so touchy about religion?
Some people got riled up with the statement that when you look at human history more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
Yes, belief in anything for which there is no objective evidence is delusion.
Because that is absolutely false? That would seem the primary reason.
The slaughter of the indigenous peoples of North, Central and South America and the Caribbean had nothing to do with religion.
The Civil War, WWI and WW2 had nothing to do with religion. The genocide of Stalin and Mao had nothing to do with religion, and the holocaust was about ethnicity, not religion.
The American Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Spanish American War, the Korean War and the War in Vietnam had nothing to do with religion. The Mongol invasion wasn't about religion. The building of the Ottoman Empire was not directly about religion. I don't think the War between Romans and Greeks was about religion. Nor the war between Egypt and the Hittites. The war between Russia and Japan wasn't about religion, now the wars by Japan against China and Korea.
I'm glad to hear that you reject atheism now.
Perhaps then they should not be shunning intelligence and education.