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Calling Islam What It Really Is. A Cult [W:407]

Redress said:
No moreso than the christian religion. I am an outsider, they all look nutty to me.
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Then you're an idiot.

Kill Jews.
Kill those who don't agree.
Bring about a master religion.
etc etc.
 
chad1389 said:
I'm showing you how Islam itself functions as a cult, based on other cults throughout history. The comparisons are exactly the same. No one dies in the Christian religion for leaving the Christian religion, and many more if you took the time to read the article.
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Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

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Now I'm sure there are some apologists out there with greater knowledge of the bible than me, who could excuse these by talking about how if you piss on the bible then new words are revealed magically changing the meaning of the thing, but I'm sure there are muslim apologists that can do the same to their book.
 
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Nilly said:
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Now I'm sure there are some apologists out there with greater knowledge of the bible than me, who could excuse these by talking about how if you piss on the bible then new words are revealed magically changing the meaning of the thing, but I'm sure there are muslim apologists that can do the same to their book.
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Nice try. Christians only keep the OT around because it is a chronological testimony to Christ. From Adam, to Abraham, to Moses, to David so on and so forth. It's the family tree of Christ we read about. Not the laws. Anything in the NT would be welcomed in this debate.
 
chad1389 said:
Then you're an idiot.

Kill Jews.
Kill those who don't agree.
Bring about a master religion.
etc etc.
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He's annoying as ****, sure, but he's not an idiot.
 
chad1389 said:
I'm showing you how Islam itself functions as a cult, based on other cults throughout history. The comparisons are exactly the same. No one dies in the Christian religion for leaving the Christian religion, and many more if you took the time to read the article.
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No one dies for leaving Christianity in secular countries. Do not mistake a little bit of Christian-influenced culture in this or any other western nation for them being actual Christian countries. Apostates from Christianity are killed in Christian countries in southern Africa with impunity. In nations and cultures where religion is the law (a goal shared by Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism), apostasy is death.
 
chad1389 said:
Nice try. Christians only keep the OT around because it is a chronological testimony to Christ. From Adam, to Abraham, to Moses, to David so on and so forth. It's the family tree of Christ we read about. Not the laws. Anything in the NT would be welcomed in this debate.
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Oh yeah, I forgot that Christianity has specific extenuating circumstance because some of it is the word and some of it isn't and we can just pick and choose the nice bits. Again, I'm not a muslim scholar but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one would equally tell you 'nice try' on your ignorant interpretation of the Qur'an (as my interpretation of the bible is no doubt ignorant).

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"

Seems like Jesus kinda liked the OT laws...
 
Paschendale said:
No one dies for leaving Christianity in secular countries. Do not mistake a little bit of Christian-influenced culture in this or any other western nation for them being actual Christian countries. Apostates from Christianity are killed in Christian countries in southern Africa with impunity. In nations and cultures where religion is the law (a goal shared by Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism), apostasy is death.
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Would love to read an article where this is shown to be true.
 
Nilly said:
Oh yeah, I forgot that Christianity has specific extenuating circumstance because some of it is the word and some of it isn't and we can just pick and choose the nice bits. Again, I'm not a muslim scholar but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one would equally tell you 'nice try' on your ignorant interpretation of the Qur'an (as my interpretation of the bible is no doubt ignorant).

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"

Seems like Jesus kinda liked the OT laws...
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You're misunderstanding what is clearly spelled out for you. Does the Jewish religion still exist? Yes. That was the prophecy. If you don't like the OT laws, take it up with the Jews.
 
X Factor said:
Naw, there's just this knee jerk left wing defensiveness when it comes to Islam.
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Because "left wingers" understand nuance and have a less "good vs. evil" worldview than right-wingers, generally speaking.
 
Paschendale said:
No one dies for leaving Christianity in secular countries. Do not mistake a little bit of Christian-influenced culture in this or any other western nation for them being actual Christian countries. Apostates from Christianity are killed in Christian countries in southern Africa with impunity. In nations and cultures where religion is the law (a goal shared by Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism), apostasy is death.
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What? There's just this tiny Christian influence in the US? What's all your constant whining about oppression and horrible Christians about?
 
Kobie said:
I've seen the same out-of-context verses presented hundreds of times, and apparently all Muslims are Koranic literalists?
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How do you misinterpret versus about killing unbelievers? Are they metaphors for some deeper meaning? Enlighten me.
 
X Factor said:
What? There's just this tiny Christian influence in the US? What's all your constant whining about oppression and horrible Christians about?
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It's a new debate. The things they write before only apply if it fits that particular debate. Check the internet. It'll back it up for me.
 
chad1389 said:
How do you misinterpret versus about killing unbelievers? Are they metaphors for some deeper meaning? Enlighten me.
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Anything can be misinterpreted without context. And you didn't address my question about literalism at all.
 
Kobie said:
Anything can be misinterpreted without context. And you didn't address my question about literalism at all.
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And you didn't enlighten me.
 
X Factor said:
What? There's just this tiny Christian influence in the US? What's all your constant whining about oppression and horrible Christians about?
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Ask the gay people in Uganda.
 
chad1389 said:
And you didn't enlighten me.
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You've retched up the same anti-Islam crap I've been reading for years. Trust me, the lack of enlightenment is mutual.
 
Kobie said:
Because "left wingers" understand nuance and have a less "good vs. evil" worldview than right-wingers, generally speaking.
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I won't disagree. I don't have the trouble or feel conflicted in condemning the actions of ISIS that many on the left do. Shrug.
 
X Factor said:
I won't disagree. I don't have the trouble or feel conflicted in condemning the actions of ISIS that many on the left do. Shrug.
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Could you provide examples of people on the left encouraging ISIL?
 
chad1389 said:
Cite one cult that has ever tried to compare itself with legit religions. Link please.
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Cults don't call themselves cults, they call themselves religion. Try again.
 
chad1389 said:
Then you're an idiot.

Kill Jews.
Kill those who don't agree.
Bring about a master religion.
etc etc.
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You have no idea of the history of Christianity, they acted exactly like that as well.
 
Declan said:
Could you provide examples of people on the left encouraging ISIL?
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Hey, you are too "nuanced" to engage in condemnation, remember?
 
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