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Fry tells it like it is.

It is just you. I don't know any bitter and hate filled atheists and I haven't spotted any here. Care to mention some names?

Start with the guy that started this thread and was sporting a tiny little chubby over the video. You can probably look at the posts of the people that 'liked' his comments for more reference. Hell, look at all the people that are just really pissed they cant post their hatred in the religion forums. There are plenty of examples of people that get their little panties twisted over nativity scenes or public prayer.

They arent hard to spot. If you cant see them...its probably because you are one of them.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

You've noticed that the physical world is not perfect? Who claims that it is?

That is not the point, as you well know. I had to sit through interminable babble at school every morning,a lot of it was about how much god allededly loves us. I was just wondering why god created that worm. I was hoping that a believer might know the answer.
 
Start with the guy that started this thread and was sporting a tiny little chubby over the video. You can probably look at the posts of the people that 'liked' his comments for more reference. Hell, look at all the people that are just really pissed they cant post their hatred in the religion forums. There are plenty of examples of people that get their little panties twisted over nativity scenes or public prayer.

They arent hard to spot. If you cant see them...its probably because you are one of them.

Do you have anything to add to the debate or are you just going to rant? I have no hatred, I was wondering why god created that worm. It's a simple question. i haven't read any of the comments, I never do that. The appalling grammar and stupidity of the average YouTube poster irks me.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

That is not the point, as you well know. I had to sit through interminable babble at school every morning,a lot of it was about how much god allededly loves us. I was just wondering why god created that worm. I was hoping that a believer might know the answer.

Pain is as much a part of our existence as pleasure. It comes with the physical world. This is mentioned in the Bible.
 
Do you have anything to add to the debate or are you just going to rant? I have no hatred, I was wondering why god created that worm. It's a simple question. i haven't read any of the comments, I never do that. The appalling grammar and stupidity of the average YouTube poster irks me.

Just 'tellin it like it is'.

And you might want to reread your post before you go on about the grammar and stupidity of the average youtube poster, what with misuse of commas, capital letters, etc...

Your OP said precisely dick about the 'worm' or why God would allow such a thing. Now...had you asked "If there is a God, why does he allow bad things to happen?" as a thread, you might have some credibility AND it might make for a good philosophical discussion. But then...you would have to be interested in actually having a philosophical discussion.

:lamo
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I don't understand how a person who professes no belief in God can characterize God while certain in the knowledge He doesn't exist. How, exactly, does that work?

So you can't explain that disconnect, I take it. The understanding of that book eludes you because it's message is spiritual - not physical or material.

The original post is included. And I do not have to explain the disconnect just because of some attempt of yours to disqualify opposition.

The book clearly states the intentions and reasoning for killing every other living thing on Earth but a very very old guy, his family, and examples of all animal life. The spiritual reasoning does not negate those intentions or the story's results.

And by the way, I'm not an atheist. I do not claim there is no God.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

The original post is included. And I do not have to explain the disconnect just because of some attempt of yours to disqualify opposition.

The book clearly states the intentions and reasoning for killing every other living thing on Earth but a very very old guy, his family, and examples of all animal life. The spiritual reasoning does not negate those intentions or the story's results.

And by the way, I'm not an atheist. I do not claim there is no God.

If you equate physical death with the end of all life, then it would be a problem. I don't. That is rather a key message in the Bible. There was no attempt to disqualify the opposition. They did that themselves without any help from me. I simply pointed it out.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

If you equate physical death with the end of all life, then it would be a problem. I don't. That is rather a key message in the Bible. There was no attempt to disqualify the opposition. They did that themselves without any help from me. I simply pointed it out.

You have to consider the context of the story. Only Noah, his family, and examples of animals were saved from the flood. There is no context in the Bible to suggest what ultimately happened to everyone else killed off by the flood. According to the text of Genesis there did not seem to be much conversation on the disposition of those killed off. Did any make it to heaven? Did they all end up in hell? That sort of thing.

During Noah's 950 years of total life there was little mention of what happened to the others, other than their removal physical from Earth in what can only be described as the largest mass killing humanity has ever seen. According to scripture then God is both evil and capricious, to engage in such action against his own creation based on a human level of emotional response.

The base answer then is no one got a second chance and there is little suggestion everyone killed off by the flood gained entry into Heaven. Eternal damnation is their probable conclusion based on the story. So now you get an even more interesting paradox on God's intentions. Being excessively cruel is a benchmark of both human weakness but also God's answer to dealing with humanity on that scale. The consequence of sin then suggests genocide, a horrible conclusion taught to us by the biblical God.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Pain is as much a part of our existence as pleasure. It comes with the physical world. .

Why? If I was an omnipotent god I would make sure that my creations had a great time. What is the matter with the Christian god?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

So you imagine God, or just the characteristics, or both?

I try and imagine why a loving father would give children bone cancer and allow worms to burrow into children's eyes. I can only imagine that if god exists then he is evil. I'm still waiting for a believer to explain about the worm.
 
Just 'tellin it like it is'.

And you might want to reread your post before you go on about the grammar and stupidity of the average youtube poster, what with misuse of commas, capital letters, etc...

Your OP said precisely dick about the 'worm' or why God would allow such a thing. Now...had you asked "If there is a God, why does he allow bad things to happen?" as a thread, you might have some credibility AND it might make for a good philosophical discussion. But then...you would have to be interested in actually having a philosophical discussion.

:lamo

I bow to your wonderful grammar and intellectual superiority. Why won't you address the question of the worm? Does god enjoy watching it go to work?
 
I bow to your wonderful grammar and intellectual superiority. Why won't you address the question of the worm? Does god enjoy watching it go to work?
Dont try to label others stupid when you model the same behaviors and you wont end up looking stupid.

Before we get started...lets see if you know WTF you are talking about or just regurgitating rhetoric. Without googling it, please name 'the worm'. Ya see...thats an important place to start. Did Fry himself have a specific worm in mind or was he merely paraphrasing another anti-God argument made some years ago?

The world is full of parasites. In a complete ecosystem, everything plays a role. What happens when you eliminate flies? Sounds simple enough...right? Nasty things...annoying...cause the spread of disease...so why would God do such a thing? Well...I mean...other than the myriad of actual uses the fly has.

Tell me...what REALLY is your question? Is it Why did God make X or is it why does God allow for suffering and pain in the world?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I try and imagine why a loving father would give children bone cancer and allow worms to burrow into children's eyes. I can only imagine that if god exists then he is evil. I'm still waiting for a believer to explain about the worm.

Do you REALLY try and imagine that? Are you a father? Do you have children?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Why? If I was an omnipotent god I would make sure that my creations had a great time. What is the matter with the Christian god?

He's fine. If you don't believe in anything spiritual, then you will have problems reconciling yourself with life and the conditions it presents.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I try and imagine why a loving father would give children bone cancer and allow worms to burrow into children's eyes. I can only imagine that if god exists then he is evil. I'm still waiting for a believer to explain about the worm.

All kinds of physical maladies exist. Why would you assume you or anybody else should be immune to that which the world offers indiscriminately? If you can't accept a given remedy to the ills of the world, what do you gain by railing against those ills?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Why? If I was an omnipotent god I would make sure that my creations had a great time. What is the matter with the Christian god?

I am assuming the answer is you do NOT have children. If you did, you would know just how foolish your line of reasoning is.

How long would you happily live in a protective bubble knowing only 'joy'? How would you know you were experiencing 'joy' at all if there were not opposition? Where is the opportunity for growth if there is not the opportunity for both success AND failure? Do you know how it feels to truly BE in love? Its a powerful experience. Its also a roller coaster ride. Its scary. You have to trust, to be exposed to the possibility of total heartache and devastation.

The "God is evil because he allows pain" argument is (and I dont mean this to sound rude) but the absolute most infantile argument made in the case against God.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

You have to consider the context of the story. Only Noah, his family, and examples of animals were saved from the flood. There is no context in the Bible to suggest what ultimately happened to everyone else killed off by the flood. According to the text of Genesis there did not seem to be much conversation on the disposition of those killed off. Did any make it to heaven? Did they all end up in hell? That sort of thing.

During Noah's 950 years of total life there was little mention of what happened to the others, other than their removal physical from Earth in what can only be described as the largest mass killing humanity has ever seen. According to scripture then God is both evil and capricious, to engage in such action against his own creation based on a human level of emotional response.

The base answer then is no one got a second chance and there is little suggestion everyone killed off by the flood gained entry into Heaven. Eternal damnation is their probable conclusion based on the story. So now you get an even more interesting paradox on God's intentions. Being excessively cruel is a benchmark of both human weakness but also God's answer to dealing with humanity on that scale. The consequence of sin then suggests genocide, a horrible conclusion taught to us by the biblical God.

I view much of the early OT as allegory. The time spans I don't believe are meant to be taken literally. It's sufficient to say that Noah was a very old man. From my perspective, the giver of physical life also takes it. There's nothing unreasonable in that proposition. What happens to souls after physical life ends is the province of God. If you view that as evil, then your prospects after this life are over would seem grim. If you view physical life here as the beginning and end, then it really shouldn't be of any concern to you.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I am assuming the answer is you do NOT have children. If you did, you would know just how foolish your line of reasoning is.

How long would you happily live in a protective bubble knowing only 'joy'? How would you know you were experiencing 'joy' at all if there were not opposition? Where is the opportunity for growth if there is not the opportunity for both success AND failure? Do you know how it feels to truly BE in love? Its a powerful experience. Its also a roller coaster ride. Its scary. You have to trust, to be exposed to the possibility of total heartache and devastation.

The "God is evil because he allows pain" argument is (and I dont mean this to sound rude) but the absolute most infantile argument made in the case against God.

Nice dodge.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

I view much of the early OT as allegory. The time spans I don't believe are meant to be taken literally. It's sufficient to say that Noah was a very old man. From my perspective, the giver of physical life also takes it. There's nothing unreasonable in that proposition. What happens to souls after physical life ends is the province of God. If you view that as evil, then your prospects after this life are over would seem grim. If you view physical life here as the beginning and end, then it really shouldn't be of any concern to you.
Well said.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Nice dodge.
Its cute that you claim a direct response is a 'dodge'. Just which question is it that i am supposed to be dodging?

And BTW...figured out that worm thing yet? I know a little bit about what he was talking about and who he stole the 'outrageous' story from. Do you?

Should be fun.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

And BTW...figured out that worm thing yet? I know a little bit about what he was talking about and who he stole the 'outrageous' story from. Do you?
He was the brother of a famous film director. Repeating a fact is now stealing? I have already figured out the worm thing, it's called evolution.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Its cute that you claim a direct response is a 'dodge'. Just which question is it that i am supposed to be dodging?

And BTW...figured out that worm thing yet? I know a little bit about what he was talking about and who he stole the 'outrageous' story from. Do you?

Should be fun.

You will get extra points if you can name the two brothers and on which TV show the statement about the worm was made. This should be fun.
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

He was the brother of a famous film director. Repeating a fact is now stealing? I have already figured out the worm thing, it's called evolution.

So...its just 'a worm'...not a specific worm then? As in why oh why would God create inconvenient nasty bugs and stuff?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

So...its just 'a worm'...not a specific worm then? As in why oh why would God create inconvenient nasty bugs and stuff?

Yes, why would he do that? You know which species of worm I mean. Let's check. Do you believe that a god created all the nasty bugs and stuff?
 
Re: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Yes, why would he do that? You know which species of worm I mean. Let's check. Do you believe that a god created all the nasty bugs and stuff?

I believe that God created the mechanism for all of the planets existence and that parasites, flies, nasty bugs and stuff ALL have a function. Somewhere in all that mess, evolution within each species occurs-I dont pretend to know how it all works out but think its way cool people are still doing research on that whole science thing. What I DO NOT believe is that God goes around smiting people at a whim, or that he is unloving and uncaring and that is why bad things happen to people or why children get cancer, or for that matter that he helps people win football games. It is a beyond infantile argument to suggest that a REAL Omnipotent all powerful God would prevent people from experiencing pain. Thats as stupid as suggesting parents dont love their children because they dont keep them locked in a basement in a padded room with soft cushy furniture and feed them only fun things and make sure they never get hurt ever.

Seriously...if you think the argument "there is no God because bad **** happens" is legitimate you, you REALLY have far greater problems than that.
 
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