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Genetic Engineering

Amadeus

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What are your thoughts on genetic engineering from a moral/ethical point of view? Do you believe that we have the right as a species to direct our own biology? Would we risk becoming a Gattaca society?
 
The biological consequences and the moral consequences are almost mutually exclusive. Making sure you have a blonde haired blue-eyed baby boy or removing genetic predispositions to unwanted diseases/defects would be acceptable to me. Creating people with three legs, not so much. We are more of a fixer upper than a tear down species.
 
Along the lines of what Declan said, I don't have a particular problem with it. I'd simply suggest that the changes made be limited to incremental improvements to the existing design of the human body, rather than radical changes or additions.

Longer lifespans, better looks, more powerful physiques, higher IQs, and greater resistance to disease? Sure. Go for it.

Trying to make your own race of Communist worker bees devoid of individuality, or sociopathic supermen completely unburdened by morality? Yea... Not so much.
 
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Although not really a philosophical issue, it's been suggested that humans will have to modify their biology drastically in order to survive as a species. Evolution isn't moving fast enough to protect us from ourselves. Not to mention, we are remarkably ill-suited to leave this planet.
 
Although not really a philosophical issue, it's been suggested that humans will have to modify their biology drastically in order to survive as a species. Evolution isn't moving fast enough to protect us from ourselves. Not to mention, we are remarkably ill-suited to leave this planet.

Suggested by who?
The survival of mankind is not dependent on biological features.
 
Ehhh... I'd much rather change our technology before I resorted to radically changing mankind itself.

There's no guarantee that the ones doing the altering will have goals in mind that actually work towards the interests of the common good.
 
Along the lines of what Declan said, I don't have a particular problem with it. I'd simply suggest that the changes made be limited to incremental improvements to the existing design of the human body, rather than radical changes or additions.

Longer lifespans, better looks, more powerful physiques, higher IQs, and greater resistance to disease? Sure. Go for it.

Trying to make your own race of Communist worker bees devoid of individuality, or sociopathic supermen completely unburdened by morality? Yea... Not so much.

I wanna be a space marine. I wanna spit acid and lift 50 ton tanks and throw them around like ragdolls.

It can't happen without genetic engineering 8)
 
I wanna be a space marine. I wanna spit acid and lift 50 ton tanks and throw them around like ragdolls.

It can't happen without genetic engineering 8)

FOR THE EMPRAH!!!!
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The biological consequences and the moral consequences are almost mutually exclusive. Making sure you have a blonde haired blue-eyed baby boy or removing genetic predispositions to unwanted diseases/defects would be acceptable to me. Creating people with three legs, not so much. We are more of a fixer upper than a tear down species.

Are you kidding? You'd win every sack race you entered.
 
Are you kidding? You'd win every sack race you entered.

I usually did that with two legs, but then an unexpected injury cut short my dreams of being an Olympic sack-race/3-legged race gold medalist thereby ruining my chance of becoming the international spokesperson for burlap. I guess they will have to stick with Moses for yet another generation. ;(
 
What are your thoughts on genetic engineering from a moral/ethical point of view? Do you believe that we have the right as a species to direct our own biology? Would we risk becoming a Gattaca society?

It requires big money to do genetic engineering. Ergo, do you trust
Big Money? Big Money seems to work for the growth and perpetuation
of Big Money, so any well-intentioned engineering would never happen.
You could suggest regulation, but the regulators are always representatives
of the regulated Industries, like the Nuclear Industry. It is always the Fox
guarding teh henhouse. Just the way money works in the real world.
 
As opposed to what? Leaving our genetic code up to evolution? To mindless chance? That's better?

In some cases - genetic disorders etc - I would argue it would be immoral not to intervene.

Leaving it up to "nature" is BS if you ask me. Nature's overrated. I want a T-Rex body on steroids with wings, damnit! Not this puny, squishy human form. :lol:
 
As opposed to what? Leaving our genetic code up to evolution? To mindless chance? That's better?

In some cases - genetic disorders etc - I would argue it would be immoral not to intervene.

Leaving it up to "nature" is BS if you ask me. Nature's overrated. I want a T-Rex body on steroids with wings, damnit! Not this puny, squishy human form. :lol:

Pff... If you're going to go that route, why bother with anything as "messy" as mere biology at all? :mrgreen:

 
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Pff... If you're going to go that route, why even bother with anything as "messy" as mere biology at all? :mrgreen:



Baby steps, man. First the flying T-Rex. Then transcendence. :mrgreen:
 
What are your thoughts on genetic engineering from a moral/ethical point of view? Do you believe that we have the right as a species to direct our own biology? Would we risk becoming a Gattaca society?
I believe it is unknown the effects it will have on society. I personally believe the cure for cancer is in genetic engineering. But we have been genetically engineering things for centuries. I think it started with tomatoes.

As far as morality goes, I don't believe genetic engineering could give us super humans out of human DNA. It can only really alter genetic predispositions. The rest is up to the individual.
 
What are your thoughts on genetic engineering from a moral/ethical point of view? Do you believe that we have the right as a species to direct our own biology? Would we risk becoming a Gattaca society?

The problem in Gattaca wasn't the genetic engineering, it was the social structures they built around it. I don't believe that those social structures are the inevitable result of genetic of engineering. Without those social structures, I don't find anything morally questionable about genetic engineering.

Having said that, I think there are practical reasons why such technology should be heavily regulated. A few off the top of my head:

1. If you allow people to genetically engineer at will, then traits that are unpopular but useful may be weeded out of the population. For example, in the western world, extroversion is valued above introversion. Genetic engineering could end up creating a western world filled with extroverts. This would create a severe shortage of the skillsets introverts excell in. To make matters worse, no one would notice this shortage for a generation. There would be generational cycles of weaknesses due to decisions made by parents.

2. If access to such technology is driven by the free market then it will become a situation where only the wealthy have access to it. What can end up happening is that the wealthy will ensure their children are genetically superior, thereby further entrenching the divide between the rich and the poor. In a world where the rich have access to genetic engineering and the poor do not, the rich will tend to always excell in whatever areas they were designed to excell in and they would be less prone to genetic diseases and disorders. This would virtually guarantee a never ending oligarchy.

3. This is closely tied to #1 above, but instead of focusing on the things we would accidentally weed out, imagine the things we would accidently create an over-abundance of. In a world where we can design our children, we would have way too many people who look alike because everyone chose genetic traits that are currently popular (everyone wants their girls to look barbies and boys to look like Brad Pitts or whoever the du jour pop culture icons are (I'm out of touch with that culture these days)).


So, in a nutshell, I don't think the practice is morally questionable. But I think some of the consequences could be really bad even if not for moral reasons. Therefore, a lot of care is necessary.

In my opinion, the safest route is to limit genetic engineering only to preventing genetic disorders and predispositions to diseases. Even in this, great care is needed, especially in the area of psychiatric conditions (do we want to end ADHD? what if, as some suspect, ADHD comes with certain benefits that we would accidentally weed out of the population?).
 
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It requires big money to do genetic engineering. Ergo, do you trust
Big Money? Big Money seems to work for the growth and perpetuation
of Big Money, so any well-intentioned engineering would never happen.
You could suggest regulation, but the regulators are always representatives
of the regulated Industries, like the Nuclear Industry. It is always the Fox
guarding teh henhouse. Just the way money works in the real world.

what the hell is your issue? You might as well do nothing on this planet cuz big money big money big money such corruption zomg wow big moneyz.

Yeah, I can trust big money. Outside of a few notable examples, big companies typically compete, and with competition comes innovation, and with innovation comes the progression of humanity.
 
What are your thoughts on genetic engineering from a moral/ethical point of view? Do you believe that we have the right as a species to direct our own biology? Would we risk becoming a Gattaca society?

We've been carrying out genetic engineering ever since the first woman chose her mate based on his physical appearance. Everything from here on out is just going to be a little more direct. As for whether it's moral/ethical, it is the parents' duty to guarantee that their children is as happy, healthy and successful as they can manage.
 
what the hell is your issue? You might as well do nothing on this planet cuz big money big money big money such corruption zomg wow big moneyz.

Yeah, I can trust big money. Outside of a few notable examples, big companies typically compete, and with competition comes innovation, and with innovation comes the progression of humanity.

The NWO is about Corporate Government and World domination by Big Money.
It's not about Capitalism but Corporatism/Fascism and everything controlled
by connected Big Money. I didn't see or hear of any of the citizens voting for
that. I vote on the labor end of the spectrum at a local level and gov't is
supposed to work for the majority of the population, not the .01%.
 
There isnt anything morally or ethically wrong with genetic engineering. Just like there isnt anything morally or ethically wrong with sexual intercourse. It is the acts that are possibly immoral or unethical, rape for example.
 
I want to look like Tom Brady and I also want wings. What the hell is wrong with that?

edit- It would sure make my life a lot easier and happier. If I could afford it then why not?

I also want to live forever. If I can afford it, and it is available then why not?

edit- I am not even sure if I would need an Amanda Seyfried clone if I looked like Tom Brady, had wings and was eternal. I would still want one though.
 
Just depends what we want out of life. I greatly value diversity and, in our current competitive climate, what's to stop every parent from doing everything possible to ensure their kids get ahead? Of course, this takes various forms that have to do with genetics. Coming from a wealthy background means, on average, living several years longer. However, with genetic engineering, once the floodgates open and, legal or not, we start seeing babies who can read minds and fluent in 7 languages, what's to stop this? How will this affect older humans and those who aren't modified?

Gattica went into the social consequences and the whole predetermination, ignoring that well, life's never been a flat distribution of fairness, genetics has never given everyone equal opportunity. What that movie failed to impress is why the specific abilities were so desirable that every parent would inevitably take this path. It just showed competition with the brother a bit
 
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