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Why Christianity grew so fast

Actually my qoute was pretty close for being off the top of my head, and unlike you I didn't use Google.

Had the discussion been about anything else, it would probably have been close enough. But the discussion was about whether Jesus claimed he would rise from the dead. In this case that's not close enough because when quoted the correct way, the answer is that he did not make such a claim. The author of John himself claims that the disciples didn't understand what he meant except in hindsight. So, did Jesus claim he would rise from the dead? or did he say he could rebuild the temple in three days and only later did his disciples realize he must have meant that figuratively and been referring to his body? The answer, as the bible itself claims, is the latter.
 
Are you sure it's used very often? I actually hadn't heard that before. What is the logic behind it? I don't see how that works out logically. Wouldn't that just be a fallacious appeal to popularity?

I've heard it plenty, basically that there's no way millions will suddenly (really, in 300 years) convert if there weren't truth behind the miracles. Pretty farcical on its face when we consider how prevalent mass hysteria has been, and how islam took off just as quickly, despite *denying* the whole resurrection.

Also, look today at how easily africans and islanders are converted. Are they in any position to assess the validity of a supposed resurrection 2000 years ago? Is that why they convert, because it must be true?

Christianity took off because it marketed itself in a way that eased pagans into the new faith, but also by offering something the pagans by and large did not have - clear set of rules, opportunity for forgiveness of sins, scaring the **** out of them by threatening eternal torment if they don't convert.

It wasn't a "cosmic narrative" (pagans had abundance of these) or the resurrection story, which itself was ripped off of pagan myths. If you want to know why christianity took off, look at why it's still around. Proof of miracles has nothing to do with it.
 
Many Jews believe that, but there's also Messianic Jews who do believe in the New Testament Jesus.

The Jews and skeptics who believe Jesus is a false prophet have probably never read the scholarly, five volume work, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, by Dr. Michael L. Brown.

A "messianic Jew" isn't a religious Jew, he's a Christian who's Family was jewish, or is ethnically jewish ....

Yes, Jews and skeptics (various rabbis also) have read Michael Brown's work and have debated him also.
 
True. There was nothing new in christianity.

Actually yes there was .... and if you read the OP, it was talking about the pre-Constantine Growth, by the time Constantine was in Power CHristianity was over 10% of the population.
 
I've heard it plenty, basically that there's no way millions will suddenly (really, in 300 years) convert if there weren't truth behind the miracles. Pretty farcical on its face when we consider how prevalent mass hysteria has been, and how islam took off just as quickly, despite *denying* the whole resurrection.

Also, look today at how easily africans and islanders are converted. Are they in any position to assess the validity of a supposed resurrection 2000 years ago? Is that why they convert, because it must be true?

Christianity took off because it marketed itself in a way that eased pagans into the new faith, but also by offering something the pagans by and large did not have - clear set of rules, opportunity for forgiveness of sins, scaring the **** out of them by threatening eternal torment if they don't convert.

It wasn't a "cosmic narrative" (pagans had abundance of these) or the resurrection story, which itself was ripped off of pagan myths. If you want to know why christianity took off, look at why it's still around. Proof of miracles has nothing to do with it.

Which pagan myths was the ressurected story ripped off ....
 
Actually yes there was .... and if you read the OP, it was talking about the pre-Constantine Growth, by the time Constantine was in Power CHristianity was over 10% of the population.

You're talking about the growth of Christianity, not the myths of Christianity.
 
Many Jews believe that, but there's also Messianic Jews who do believe in the New Testament Jesus.

The Jews and skeptics who believe Jesus is a false prophet have probably never read the scholarly, five volume work, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, by Dr. Michael L. Brown.


And, of course, "Dr' Brown has been refuted on each of his points... because he , well, sort of lies.
 
"Christianity" probably grew quickly due to the largest Empire, the Roman Empire, adopting it as a state religion. It was adopted by the Roman Empire and spread by said empire and then stuck in many places.
 
I hate to be pitching for the other team, but ... an argument is used by christians very often, that's not as simple as it sounds, and frankly, a bad argument.

the argument is basically "Christianity grew REALLY REALLY fast, and it wouldn't have grown that fast had Jesus not rised from the dead." that's a bad Version of it, but the argument follows basically that line.

Now Christianity went from a rag tag bunch of messianic nobodies in palestine, to being about 8-10% of the empire by the time Constantine came into Power. That's a HUGE Growth.

But there are ways to explain it outside of "Jesus must have risen" Now he DID rise from the dead, I believe that, but the rapid growth is not really proof of that, heres why.

By the time Jesus was born Judaism was about 10% of the empire .... Judaism was HUGE, and super popular, especially in the dispora, you had all sorts of People converting to Judaism or becoming "God fearers" or "noahides" even People quite high up in Power.

Why was it so popular?

Well Pagan religions and Judaism were 2 completely different kinds of Things.

Paganism was basically you had Your gods .... they had temples, you went there when you needed something, gave a sacrifice, and then hope you got what you needed, then there were myths around the gods, where they came from, what they did, and so on.

The Gods were almost blessing vending machines, they had nothing to say about the origin of anything, the universe, morality, history, nothing, they didn't tell you how to live, what was right, where Things came from, where Things were going, and also religion was primarily an upper class Things, poor People had local myths and supersticions, but the temples and gods were primarily imperial and for the ruling class. (so in a sense you could say that ancient pagan societies were less religious than modern western societies). For other aspects of life you went to philosophy.

Judaism was WAY different, their God explained everything, where the universe came from, where we are heading, it explained history, it explained morality, and it explained how to live, not only that but Judaism had a social welfare infastructure, so poor jews got help at the synagogue ... pagans didn't, Jews living a good life very often, they had an extremely Advanced religion morally, socially and philosophically ... so a ton of People were drawn to it ....

But whats the biggest problem With becoming Jewish if you're a pagan? Circumcision and the mosaic Law ... but EVEN WITH THOSE stipulations, Judaism grew exponentially under the Roman empire.

Then Christianity comes .... and it grows first in Palestine as a messianic movement, (there is an arugment there for the ressurection), but then it grew extremely fast outside of palestine, very fast, among non jews, InFact it grew faster among non jews (at least in teh second Century and later) than it did among Jews, why? Well basically it was Judaism, without the Law and without circumcision ... so if you were attracted to Judaism before, but were turned off by the laws and getting Your Dick snipped, well, here's Judaism without that, and it also has a further benefit, a kind of revolutionary New Kingdom of god, an escatology that was universal and NOT palestine based (unlike Jewish escatology which was not universal).

OF COARSE Christianity is going to beat out the pagan religions, the pagan religions were simply outdated, they had no social welfare aspect, they had no moral aspect, they had no cosmic narrative, they had no escatology, they were not theologically thought out.

The People who joined christianity from paganism had never probably heard of the historical Jesus, nor was that the driving factor, the Heavenly christ and everything that came With the christian faith was the driving factor.

in the first Century Christianity was one of the only forces providing social welfare for the poor, (as well as Jews), and the only force which was truely universal, and cut away Barriers of race and ethnicity and class, it was a evangelical religion (unlike judaism, which grew hugely anyway), it was the only religion which had a set narrative of history and the universe, which was intellectually satisfying, and it was the only one With a real hope.

So that's what explains the huge Growth of christianity, basically the same thing which explained the huge Growth of judaism before it, along with the perks christianity has that judaism doesn't.

Christianity grew so fast because of the money and the armies behind it. Nothing more.
 
And, of course, "Dr' Brown has been refuted on each of his points... because he , well, sort of lies.

Horse manure. You Tube videos show he blows out Jewish rabbis in debates about Jesus.

Remember, the Jews rebelled against Moses, rebelled against God, killed their own prophets, and turned their own Messiah over to be crucified. That's not being anti-Semitic, that's just history.

So why should we think they wouldn't rebel against their own Messiah and his people?
 
Horse manure. You Tube videos show he blows out Jewish rabbis in debates about Jesus.

Remember, the Jews rebelled against Moses, rebelled against God, killed their own prophets, and turned their own Messiah over to be crucified. That's not being anti-Semitic, that's just history.

So why should we think they wouldn't rebel against their own Messiah and his people?

Yawn. So you say. However, what you are doing is invoking your a priori prejudices, making an appeal to authority, and do cut/pastes without knowledge or understanding. There is one little thing you are failing to do. That is to look at the accuracy of his claims..
 
Yawn. So you say. However, what you are doing is invoking your a priori prejudices, making an appeal to authority, and do cut/pastes without knowledge or understanding. There is one little thing you are failing to do. That is to look at the accuracy of his claims..

<chuckle>

Dr. Michael Brown gladly puts his debate videos on YouTube. You think he's going to do that if he gets eaten alive by the rabbis? So get real.
 
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Dr. Michael Brown gladly puts his debate videos on YouTube. You think he's going to do that if he gets eaten alive by the rabbis? So get real.

Yawn, if you notice, he doesn't actually debate real life rabbi's.

Tell you what,.. how about if you extract two or three of what you think are his strongest arguments, with evidence and present them.. and let's see if I can rip them to tiny little shreds.. OF course, that would mean that you would actually read his works, or extract the argument from the youtube video.. rather than just 'oh , watch this'.

Then, to present it properly, you would actually have to show you understand it. That would be an amazing sight in and of itself.
 
Yawn, if you notice, he doesn't actually debate real life rabbi's.

Rabbi Tovia Singer isn't a real life rabbi? David Blumofe? Rabbi Asher Meza? Frankly, RAMOSS, you don't know what you're talking about.

Tell you what,.. how about if you extract two or three of what you think are his strongest arguments, with evidence and present them.. and let's see if I can rip them to tiny little shreds.. OF course, that would mean that you would actually read his works, or extract the argument from the youtube video.. rather than just 'oh , watch this'.

Then, to present it properly, you would actually have to show you understand it. That would be an amazing sight in and of itself.

You can find them on YouTube. Here's one you can weep over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3Aq5qsY8Q
 
Christianity grew so fast because of the money and the armies behind it. Nothing more.

I was talking about pre-nicean Christianity ... Jesus Christ, has anyone actually read the OP?
 
Horse manure. You Tube videos show he blows out Jewish rabbis in debates about Jesus.

Remember, the Jews rebelled against Moses, rebelled against God, killed their own prophets, and turned their own Messiah over to be crucified. That's not being anti-Semitic, that's just history.

So why should we think they wouldn't rebel against their own Messiah and his people?

Which prophets did the Jews kill?
 
Which pagan myths was the ressurected story ripped off ....

There's really too many to list but some of the more popular myth cults:

innana of the tammuz myth
dionysus, son of zeus
adonis - died and rose on 3rd day
attis
mithras - debatable which came first, but many similarities (born dec 25, 12 disciples, miracles, "the messiah," baptism, arose after death and burial 3 days later)

krishna - divine conception, physical body resurrects after death and ascends
osiris - resurrected by the goddess isis
zoroaster - expected by his followers to bring about a "2nd coming" around the year 2300
empedocles - mythis include his raising a woman from the dead (like lazarus) and he jumped into a volcano, whereupon he ascended to the heavens

Countless other stories of resurrections, most of which never took off
 
Which prophets did the Jews kill?

You figure it out.

He (Elijah) replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, torn down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too." - 1 Kings 19:14
 
There's really too many to list but some of the more popular myth cults:

innana of the tammuz myth
dionysus, son of zeus
adonis - died and rose on 3rd day
attis
mithras - debatable which came first, but many similarities (born dec 25, 12 disciples, miracles, "the messiah," baptism, arose after death and burial 3 days later)

krishna - divine conception, physical body resurrects after death and ascends
osiris - resurrected by the goddess isis
zoroaster - expected by his followers to bring about a "2nd coming" around the year 2300
empedocles - mythis include his raising a woman from the dead (like lazarus) and he jumped into a volcano, whereupon he ascended to the heavens

Countless other stories of resurrections, most of which never took off

Ok Innana of Tammuz, I don't know if there are any myths of Innana dying and rising, do you have an example? There is one of her visiting the underworld reason being she wants to attend funeral rights for another Goddess' husband, and then she ends up stripping, thus loosing her Power, and then she is stuck there, and then People try and save her from the underworld, and there are different endings .... in otherwords, NOTHING AT ALL, like passion narrative of Jesus

Ok Doinysus, son of Zeus, he goes to Hades to rescue his mom, who he hadn't seen since his birth, and he had help from Prosymnus who wanted to bone Dionysus as payment, Prosymnus died so Dionysus made an olive branch dildo and put in on Prosymnus' grave ..... Not exactly similar to Jesus' story.

Or maybe it's the story where Zeus has sex With a woman, shows himself to her and she dies, and then he sews Dionysys into his thight .... (sound like Jesus' birth story? Don't think so), then Zeus' wife has Dionysis killed by ripping him up into little pieces, and he was eating up other than his heart, then Zeus took his heart and recreated him in his thight .... (sound like Jeus's passion story? Don't think so).

Or Adonis, which myth did he die and rise on the 3rd day? Show me it?

Or lets take Osiris ... he gets thrown into the nile nailed into a vox, then Isis finds the body, then she revives him With a spell for long enough for hi to impregnate her, then he dies again, in another Version, he gets toren up into many pieces, she collects the pieces and bandages them together, except for his Dick, she' can't find it, and the Gods ressurect him, because they are impressed With her, and then she makes a golden penis for him .... sound like Jesus? No, it doesn't.


So heres the thing, if you ACTUALLY read the myths, you'll realize they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do With the first Century writings about Jesus, nothing at all, those myths were not even prevelant in 1rst Century Judea.
 
You figure it out.

He (Elijah) replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, torn down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too." - 1 Kings 19:14

No, you tell me, which prophets in the OT were killed by the Israelites ... I'm not the one making the claim, you are.
 
Ok Innana of Tammuz, I don't know if there are any myths of Innana dying and rising, do you have an example? There is one of her visiting the underworld reason being she wants to attend funeral rights for another Goddess' husband, and then she ends up stripping, thus loosing her Power, and then she is stuck there, and then People try and save her from the underworld, and there are different endings .... in otherwords, NOTHING AT ALL, like passion narrative of Jesus

Ok Doinysus, son of Zeus, he goes to Hades to rescue his mom, who he hadn't seen since his birth, and he had help from Prosymnus who wanted to bone Dionysus as payment, Prosymnus died so Dionysus made an olive branch dildo and put in on Prosymnus' grave ..... Not exactly similar to Jesus' story.

Or maybe it's the story where Zeus has sex With a woman, shows himself to her and she dies, and then he sews Dionysys into his thight .... (sound like Jesus' birth story? Don't think so), then Zeus' wife has Dionysis killed by ripping him up into little pieces, and he was eating up other than his heart, then Zeus took his heart and recreated him in his thight .... (sound like Jeus's passion story? Don't think so).

Or Adonis, which myth did he die and rise on the 3rd day? Show me it?

Or lets take Osiris ... he gets thrown into the nile nailed into a vox, then Isis finds the body, then she revives him With a spell for long enough for hi to impregnate her, then he dies again, in another Version, he gets toren up into many pieces, she collects the pieces and bandages them together, except for his Dick, she' can't find it, and the Gods ressurect him, because they are impressed With her, and then she makes a golden penis for him .... sound like Jesus? No, it doesn't.


So heres the thing, if you ACTUALLY read the myths, you'll realize they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do With the first Century writings about Jesus, nothing at all, those myths were not even prevelant in 1rst Century Judea.

You're really derailing your own thread now, since i said clearly the resurrection and minor details had little to do with the new faith's dispersal. But if it's what you want...

I don't think you understand (or read them, for that matter) how myths are disseminated over time, in cultures that are mostly illiterate. Horus for instance, which was intimately tied to Osiris, was resurrected in some versions but not in others. This is what happens over hundreds of years of storytelling and regional barriers.

You are cherrypicking these with your descriptions above and engaging in serious reductionism. You also ignored several on my list altogether. Voltaire considered Zoroaster to be a far more tolerable Jesus basically. They both came from paradise to peach the good word and yadda yadda. Both foretold a 2nd coming.

Yes, you may point out i cherrypicked as well. The point is those resurrection myths *existed* and were *common* and all the NT writers had to do to rip them off was be aware of them, or not since *anyone* could up with crap like people rising from the dead. Heard of zombies? Ghosts? The details don't even matter.


This thread was about how christianity grew fast. Ok then. You shirk the complexities and detachment of the god pantheons and insert a living man-god into the mix instead. Now you have something people can relate to more than a bigass mountain god with a trident. Tailor the myth to your own culture, like crucifixion and hated roman governors of judea, and there you have an audience. But to outlast Zoroaster you need something more...that's where the marketing and fear-mongering ("abide in me or wither like so many branches") came in.

What is unique about christianity? Perhaps some of the teachings themselves. The biblical jesus does come across as hip at times (when not being a complete asshole), not that it mattered for long, given how institutionalized and warmongering the church became.

Are you next going to claim virgin births and miracles like curing the sick never took place in BC mythology?
 
You're really derailing your own thread now, since i said clearly the resurrection and minor details had little to do with the new faith's dispersal. But if it's what you want...

I don't think you understand (or read them, for that matter) how myths are disseminated over time, in cultures that are mostly illiterate. Horus for instance, which was intimately tied to Osiris, was resurrected in some versions but not in others. This is what happens over hundreds of years of storytelling and regional barriers.

You are cherrypicking these with your descriptions above and engaging in serious reductionism. You also ignored several on my list altogether. Voltaire considered Zoroaster to be a far more tolerable Jesus basically. They both came from paradise to peach the good word and yadda yadda. Both foretold a 2nd coming.

Yes, you may point out i cherrypicked as well. The point is those resurrection myths *existed* and were *common* and all the NT writers had to do to rip them off was be aware of them, or not since *anyone* could up with crap like people rising from the dead. Heard of zombies? Ghosts? The details don't even matter.


This thread was about how christianity grew fast. Ok then. You shirk the complexities and detachment of the god pantheons and insert a living man-god into the mix instead. Now you have something people can relate to more than a bigass mountain god with a trident. Tailor the myth to your own culture, like crucifixion and hated roman governors of judea, and there you have an audience. But to outlast Zoroaster you need something more...that's where the marketing and fear-mongering ("abide in me or wither like so many branches") came in.

What is unique about christianity? Perhaps some of the teachings themselves. The biblical jesus does come across as hip at times (when not being a complete asshole), not that it mattered for long, given how institutionalized and warmongering the church became.

Are you next going to claim virgin births and miracles like curing the sick never took place in BC mythology?

No I'm not, these are the written records of the myths ... if you have another written Source for the myth show me .... No ... you can't ignore what the actual written text says, if you want to claim there is a Connection between the myths, you have yo read the ACTUAL myth.

Lets take Zoroaster, which myth has Zoroaster coming back from paradise to preach a good Word?

Yes I ignored several on Your list, I'm not going to og over EACH one, I wrote Down enough to show that the so-called Connections don't exist at all.

I'm sorry, if you claim that christian stories are ripped off of pagan myths, and the actual written Sources for the pagan myths are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL LIKE the christian stories, then it's a rediculous claim.

I mean not only that, what evidence is there that Horus and Osiris was even KNOWN to 1rst Century palestinians? They wern't.

You claim there is a Connection, I actually Write out what the myths say, then you say I'm Cherry picking ... ok ... show me the Zoroaster myth that matches Jesus, or Adonis, or Mythras, or Dionysis, or whatever.
 
I mean not only that, what evidence is there that Horus and Osiris was even KNOWN to 1rst Century palestinians? They wern't.

To most? Maybe not, but what evidence you got that they knew of Jesus before 65 AD or so? I mean, that's roughly the first gospel writing. Oh right, oral telling!

You don't get the symbolism behind it either. Horus becomes the god-son of Osiris and Isis. *To the myth followers* the egyptian pharaohs *were* Horus born anew. He resurrected over and over.

To the gospel writers, who were some of the few literate? This is like claiming how could Plato have known of Zoroaster (i hope you catch the plagiarist reference), or Juvenal of the "golden fleece." They could read and word of mouth carried far back then, that is how they knew. They couldn't examine the texts or fragments themselves (much of Horus is in pyramid texts), but secondary references, definitely. Did they know of the pharaohs? Ok, they knew of Horus then

There was no single volume compilation written by Zoroaster, or about Horus, or whatever. Tales of resurrection abounded. That's all that matters. Show you the myths? You did no such thing yourself. You merely gave a paragraph summary off wiki or whatev

Are you serious? Paradise (a persian word) as a concept was likely ripped off from zoroastrianism by the yahwist source way back in 500 BC. Look, zoroastrianism came first! The teachings of heavenly reward for good deeds and judgment for bad deeds predates Jesus by a long shot:

"Brilliant things instead of weeping will be (the reward) for the person who comes to the truthful one. But a long period of darkness, foul food, and the word 'woe' - to such an existence your religious view will lead you, O deceitful ones, of your own actions. (Gathas - 31.20)"

---Zoroaster, born laughing as an infant, prophet to the creator ahura mazda.

I'm sure it too ripped off the idea of paradise from even earlier traditions, indo-iranian, prehistoric even. That's how it goes. The world was damn old by the time of Jesus and major themes had already been said and conceived of. Whether they scared the **** out of the audience enough to form a stable religion just depended if the scribes had enough acid on them to come up with the specific imagery like egyptian book of the dead, rig vedas, book of revelations etc.
 
Rabbi Tovia Singer isn't a real life rabbi? David Blumofe? Rabbi Asher Meza? Frankly, RAMOSS, you don't know what you're talking about.



You can find them on YouTube. Here's one you can weep over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3Aq5qsY8Q


I see no evidence you actually saw that, nor am I going to waste my time just having you tube videos pointed at me. If you don't wnat to do the effort of extracting the information, then, I see no evidence you actually know what that information is yourself. Why should I worry about looking at information when you won't even do it yourself. That is highly hypocritical of you.
 
To most? Maybe not, but what evidence you got that they knew of Jesus before 65 AD or so? I mean, that's roughly the first gospel writing. Oh right, oral telling!

You don't get the symbolism behind it either. Horus becomes the god-son of Osiris and Isis. *To the myth followers* the egyptian pharaohs *were* Horus born anew. He resurrected over and over.

To the gospel writers, who were some of the few literate? This is like claiming how could Plato have known of Zoroaster (i hope you catch the plagiarist reference), or Juvenal of the "golden fleece." They could read and word of mouth carried far back then, that is how they knew. They couldn't examine the texts or fragments themselves (much of Horus is in pyramid texts), but secondary references, definitely. Did they know of the pharaohs? Ok, they knew of Horus then

There was no single volume compilation written by Zoroaster, or about Horus, or whatever. Tales of resurrection abounded. That's all that matters. Show you the myths? You did no such thing yourself. You merely gave a paragraph summary off wiki or whatev

Are you serious? Paradise (a persian word) as a concept was likely ripped off from zoroastrianism by the yahwist source way back in 500 BC. Look, zoroastrianism came first! The teachings of heavenly reward for good deeds and judgment for bad deeds predates Jesus by a long shot:

"Brilliant things instead of weeping will be (the reward) for the person who comes to the truthful one. But a long period of darkness, foul food, and the word 'woe' - to such an existence your religious view will lead you, O deceitful ones, of your own actions. (Gathas - 31.20)"

---Zoroaster, born laughing as an infant, prophet to the creator ahura mazda.

I'm sure it too ripped off the idea of paradise from even earlier traditions, indo-iranian, prehistoric even. That's how it goes. The world was damn old by the time of Jesus and major themes had already been said and conceived of. Whether they scared the **** out of the audience enough to form a stable religion just depended if the scribes had enough acid on them to come up with the specific imagery like egyptian book of the dead, rig vedas, book of revelations etc.

No ... Horus was not "born anew" he was born by Isis making a golden penis, and attaching it to Osiris who was put together again (literally bandaged together) .... I'm sorry, there is NO Connection to the Jesus story.

Not only that, what is the evidence that there was an ORAL tradition of Isis or Horus or Osiris going around in Palestine in the 1rst Century ... there is none ... or if there is show me.

No, just because they knew about the pharoahs doesn't mean they knew Horus, since the ptolomaic kings were CALLED pharoah during that time (or a little before), and also they had the Jewish writings which talked about Pharoah historically ... but there is NOT evidence that anyone had a Horus or Osiris or Isis tradition going around 1rst Century palestine ... it's rediculous.

Not only that the stories arn't AT ALL related.

And no, what happened to Horus was not "ressurection" in anyway recognizable to 1rst cnetury Jews.

Yes, if you want to make the mythelogical Connection, SHOW ME THE MYTH.

Of coarse judgement for good and bad deeds predate Jesus ... so what? That's not exactly a very specific teaching, nor does it give evidence that Jesus was based from myths.

So no, so far what's been shown is that you made rediculous claims that the story of Jesus was ripped off of pagan myths, without actually having READ the myths, and without showing that the myths were even around in 1rst Century palestine ....

Go and read the myths, see if you find any Connection.

ANd no, there is no comparison between being ripped into many pieces, glued together, and having a golden penis Attached so that a goddess can **** you, and then have a child and Jesus being Crucified by Ponteus Pilate, and then raised bodily from a tomb, leaving an empty tomb which was found by women disciples, and then created a historical Church.
 
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