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A Prostitue, Mary M Founded Christianity?

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One of the few truths about Christianity is Mary Madeleine claims she saw Jesus resurrected making him "holy". It is because of this claim that he became regarded as holy thus the start of a religion in his name hundreds of years after he was killed. I often wonder after she and Jesus spent so much of their time together while avoiding the other disciples (and they disliked her for her time with Jesus) did she just make it all up in order to make his name bigger than it was because she loved him?
 
rhinefire said:
One of the few truths about Christianity is Mary Madeleine claims she saw Jesus resurrected making him "holy". It is because of this claim that he became regarded as holy thus the start of a religion in his name hundreds of years after he was killed. I often wonder after she and Jesus spent so much of their time together while avoiding the other disciples (and they disliked her for her time with Jesus) did she just make it all up in order to make his name bigger than it was because she loved him?
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Actually that's true, she did see him. And without the resurrection, Christianity would be nothing.....Apostles even said so. Can't say I like the connotation of a slut creating Christianity......that may be pushing it a bit.
 
Good grief.

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute, she wasn't Jesus' wife. There's no reason to believe she had any sort of romantic connection to Jesus. She was a disciple. She is officially recognized as a saint by the RCC and other denominations.

In the Middle Ages, a few zealous monks confused Mary Magdalene with an unnamed "sinner" (Luke 7:36-55). Mary Magdalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is unclear how the stories about the resurrection actually were generated and spread. The Canonical Gospels don't present a consistent account, and aren't primary sources anyway.

The seeds of Christianity were pretty much planted during Jesus' lifetime. It took, 50-75 years after his death for his followers to consider themselves profoundly separated from the Jewish mainstream. It probably would have happened along the same lines without Mary Magdalene.
 
rhinefire said:
One of the few truths about Christianity is Mary Madeleine claims she saw Jesus resurrected making him "holy". It is because of this claim that he became regarded as holy thus the start of a religion in his name hundreds of years after he was killed. I often wonder after she and Jesus spent so much of their time together while avoiding the other disciples (and they disliked her for her time with Jesus) did she just make it all up in order to make his name bigger than it was because she loved him?
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She wasn't a prostitute. That's a myth.
 
Even if she was a prostitute [which she wasn't - Jesus is reported to have cast out her various demons several times over and saved her] - she wasn't the only one to reportedly have received that news and witnessed the empty tomb - etc. She was not alone throughout any of that.

On top of that - the resurrection is not what founded or started and formed the concept of Christianity.
 
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Visbek said:
Good grief.

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute, she wasn't Jesus' wife.
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 There's no reason to believe she had any sort of romantic connection to Jesus. She was a disciple. She is officially recognized as a saint by the RCC and other denominations.

In the Middle Ages, a few zealous monks confused Mary Magdalene with an unnamed "sinner" (Luke 7:36-55). Mary Magdalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is unclear how the stories about the resurrection actually were generated and spread. The Canonical Gospels don't present a consistent account, and aren't primary sources anyway.

The seeds of Christianity were pretty much planted during Jesus' lifetime. It took, 50-75 years after his death for his followers to consider themselves profoundly separated from the Jewish mainstream. It probably would have happened along the same lines without Mary Magdalene.
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Do you have some unimpeachable proof of this? :roll:

If so you should post a link.




" The only true Christian who ever lived died on the cross."
 
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shrubnose said:
Do you have some unimpeachable proof of this? :roll:

If so you should post a link.




" The only true Christian who ever lived died on the cross."
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There is little to no proof, impeachable or not that Mary was ever a prostitute.
 
Visbek said:
Good grief.

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute, she wasn't Jesus' wife. There's no reason to believe she had any sort of romantic connection to Jesus. She was a disciple. She is officially recognized as a saint by the RCC and other denominations.

In the Middle Ages, a few zealous monks confused Mary Magdalene with an unnamed "sinner" (Luke 7:36-55). Mary Magdalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is unclear how the stories about the resurrection actually were generated and spread. The Canonical Gospels don't present a consistent account, and aren't primary sources anyway.

The seeds of Christianity were pretty much planted during Jesus' lifetime. It took, 50-75 years after his death for his followers to consider themselves profoundly separated from the Jewish mainstream. It probably would have happened along the same lines without Mary Magdalene.
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What?! Since when was she not a prostitute that later changed her life?
 
shrubnose said:
Do you have some unimpeachable proof of this?
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What "unimpeachable proof" do you want? What are you willing to accept as "unimpeachable?"

Seriously, I could be here all day citing histories, web pages, articles....
 
Visbek said:
What "unimpeachable proof" do you want? What are you willing to accept as "unimpeachable?"

Seriously, I could be here all day citing histories, web pages, articles....
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Get after it.

But don't expect me to waste my time plowing through all of that. :roll:
 
rhinefire said:
What?! Since when was she not a prostitute that later changed her life?
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As in the Bible it NEVER once says "Mary Magdalene, the prostitute (or former prostitute)" or anything equivalent.

You might as well say that John the Baptist and John the husband of Mary mother of Christ were the same people because they both were named John.
 
rhinefire said:
What?! Since when was she not a prostitute that later changed her life?
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Since the beginning.

She was mislabeled as a prostitute most prominently in 591 by Pope Gregory.

The Catholic Church officially corrected Pope Gregory's mistake in 1969.


Matthew 27.51-61 does not say she's a prostitute
Mark 15.35-45 does not say she's a prostitute
Mark 16.4-14 does not say she's a prostitute -- it says Jesus cast out "seven demons" from her. Demons ≠ Prostitutes. E.g.:

Mark 18-20: 18 As he was getting into the boat, the man who had been possessed by demons begged him that he might be with him. 19 But Jesus* refused, and said to him, ‘Go home to your friends, and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and what mercy he has shown you.’ 20 And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him; and everyone was amazed.

Luke 8.2 also refers to casting out demons, no mention of prostitution: "The twelve were with him, 2 as well as some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 and Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them* out of their resources."

The source of this slander is in Luke 7 36-50. In that passage, an unnamed woman anoints Jesus' feet. A Pharisee says "Jesus can't be a prophet, he let this sinner touch him." Jesus then reads the Pharisee the riot act, saying "she treated me with hospitality, you didn't; so her sins are forgiven, but yours are not." Jesus then says to the woman: "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." The unnamed woman isn't called Mary, isn't called Magdalene, and doesn't join his entourage.


Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute, not ever. She was a disciple. It's amazing how long errors like this can persist.
 
Visbek said:
Since the beginning.

She was mislabeled as a prostitute most prominently in 591 by Pope Gregory.

The Catholic Church officially corrected Pope Gregory's mistake in 1969.


Matthew 27.51-61 does not say she's a prostitute
Mark 15.35-45 does not say she's a prostitute
Mark 16.4-14 does not say she's a prostitute -- it says Jesus cast out "seven demons" from her. Demons ≠ Prostitutes. E.g.:

Mark 18-20: 18 As he was getting into the boat, the man who had been possessed by demons begged him that he might be with him. 19 But Jesus* refused, and said to him, ‘Go home to your friends, and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and what mercy he has shown you.’ 20 And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him; and everyone was amazed.

Luke 8.2 also refers to casting out demons, no mention of prostitution: "The twelve were with him, 2 as well as some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 and Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them* out of their resources."

The source of this slander is in Luke 7 36-50. In that passage, an unnamed woman anoints Jesus' feet. A Pharisee says "Jesus can't be a prophet, he let this sinner touch him." Jesus then reads the Pharisee the riot act, saying "she treated me with hospitality, you didn't; so her sins are forgiven, but yours are not." Jesus then says to the woman: "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." The unnamed woman isn't called Mary, isn't called Magdalene, and doesn't join his entourage.


Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute, not ever. She was a disciple. It's amazing how long errors like this can persist.
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well, what's the dope on pope gregory calling her a prostitute
 
shrubnose said:
Get after it. But don't expect me to waste my time plowing through all of that. :roll:
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You want me to spend all day doing research on your behalf, that you aren't going to read. And you can't be bothered to glance at the Wikipedia entry. Sure, I'll get right on that. Here you go.

Let me google that for you
 
justabubba said:
well, what's the dope on pope gregory calling her a prostitute
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Very short version:

Mary Magdalene was an important figure for the early Christians we now call the "Gnostics." She was frequently regarded on the same level as (if not actually as) a disciple of Jesus.

It's unclear who first conflated this unnamed woman with Mary Magdalene. We do know that Gregory made it official in a sermon in 591. The error, and its promulgation, was very likely linked to "traditional" (read: sexist, misogynistic) attitudes by people of those eras towards women.

AFAIK non-Western churches (e.g. Russian, Greek Orthodox) did not make this mistake, and did not classify her as an ex-prostitute.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Even if she was a prostitute [which she wasn't - Jesus is reported to have cast out her various demons several times over and saved her] - she wasn't the only one to reportedly have received that news and witnessed the empty tomb - etc. She was not alone throughout any of that.

On top of that - the resurrection is not what founded or started and formed the concept of Christianity.
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And you were doing so well...
 
rhinefire said:
One of the few truths about Christianity is Mary Madeleine claims she saw Jesus resurrected making him "holy". It is because of this claim that he became regarded as holy thus the start of a religion in his name hundreds of years after he was killed. I often wonder after she and Jesus spent so much of their time together while avoiding the other disciples (and they disliked her for her time with Jesus) did she just make it all up in order to make his name bigger than it was because she loved him?
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Jesus started a new religion--- at 30 he left the synagogues to teach--new teachers( apostles)--he called the former teachers--sons of vipers-- they refused to make corrections,--- upon his death--the renting of the banner was symbolic for Israel being cut off as Gods chosen--Matt 23:37-38 affirms they are cut off as well--its been over 1975 years--they still reject their Messiah. the references to Israel after the fact like in revelation, is meaning spiritual Israel( Jews who came to the light( Jesus) and gentiles are included) carrying the biblical meaning--Gods chosen--besides John had 0 clue as to what the religion would be called in these last days.

You are mistaken--the religion started then--it was murdered along with the apostles and Christians being hunted down and thrown to wild animals in the collosium--- the great apostasy arose a couple hundred years after that-2Thess 2:3-2Cor 11:12-15
Truth did not come back until these last days-Daniel 12:4
 
kjw47 said:
Jesus started a new religion--- at 30 he left the synagogues to teach--new teachers( apostles)--he called the former teachers--sons of vipers-- they refused to make corrections,--- upon his death--the renting of the banner was symbolic for Israel being cut off as Gods chosen--Matt 23:37-38 affirms they are cut off as well--its been over 1975 years--they still reject their Messiah. the references to Israel after the fact like in revelation, is meaning spiritual Israel( Jews who came to the light( Jesus) and gentiles are included) carrying the biblical meaning--Gods chosen--besides John had 0 clue as to what the religion would be called in these last days.

You are mistaken--the religion started then--it was murdered along with the apostles and Christians being hunted down and thrown to wild animals in the collosium--- the great apostasy arose a couple hundred years after that-2Thess 2:3-2Cor 11:12-15
Truth did not come back until these last days-Daniel 12:4
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Excuse me for a moment, I must have misheard something about Christianity being murdered along with the apostles in the roman coliseum?


I am pretty sure that the works of the apostle Paul, the works of Christian philosophers like origin, and missionaries travailing across the Roman Empire helped keep the religion alive.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Excuse me for a moment, I must have misheard something about Christianity being murdered along with the apostles in the roman coliseum?


I am pretty sure that the works of the apostle Paul, the works of Christian philosophers like origin, and missionaries travailing across the Roman Empire helped keep the religion alive.
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The apostles were murdered before the collosium. Gods word was still there--but it clearly taught--the great apostasy must rise first or truth would never come back-2Thess 2:3--truth came back in these last days--Daniel 12:4---that is when Jesus appointed his FDS to give food( spiritual at the proper time.)--all prior to these last days--died and paid the wages of sin-- Now we are at the very end of the last days--the generation of 1914-1919--who saw this occur( rev 6)--will see the second ride of the white horse at Har-mageddon-- it is close.
yesterday the swiss devalued their money-33%--means things now cost 33% more--this-WILL-cause a domino effect in the world--the poor will be devastated beyond belief. we are on the verge of the tribulation.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Excuse me for a moment, I must have misheard something about Christianity being murdered along with the apostles in the roman coliseum?


I am pretty sure that the works of the apostle Paul, the works of Christian philosophers like origin, and missionaries travailing across the Roman Empire helped keep the religion alive.
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This is a false claim propped up by both Jehovah witnesses and Mormons alike.
they both claim (with huge errors) that the entire church was removed from the earth and killed.

there is absolutely 0 evidence of this and the history of the church can be traced back all the way to the 1st century.
 
kjw47 said:
The apostles were murdered before the collosium. Gods word was still there--but it clearly taught--the great apostasy must rise first or truth would never come back-2Thess 2:3--truth came back in these last days--Daniel 12:4---that is when Jesus appointed his FDS to give food( spiritual at the proper time.)--all prior to these last days--died and paid the wages of sin-- Now we are at the very end of the last days--the generation of 1914-1919--who saw this occur( rev 6)--will see the second ride of the white horse at Har-mageddon-- it is close.
yesterday the swiss devalued their money-33%--means things now cost 33% more--this-WILL-cause a domino effect in the world--the poor will be devastated beyond belief. we are on the verge of the tribulation.
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distortions and lies are still distortion and lies no matter how many times you repeat it.
this so called great apostasy never occurred.
 
rhinefire said:
One of the few truths about Christianity is Mary Madeleine claims she saw Jesus resurrected making him "holy". It is because of this claim that he became regarded as holy thus the start of a religion in his name hundreds of years after he was killed. I often wonder after she and Jesus spent so much of their time together while avoiding the other disciples (and they disliked her for her time with Jesus) did she just make it all up in order to make his name bigger than it was because she loved him?
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Well, several things here. The concept that Mary Madeleine was a prostitute is not biblical. It was from a pope living several centuries after the Bible was written that concept came into play. There is no reason to connect Mary Madeleine with the 'sinful woman' in Luke.

Now, while the apostles might have been jealous of her, we do not have Mary Madeleine's testimony directly. We have people who make claims about her, but we don't have what she said herself. It might be. However, if Mary Madeleine was the source of that story, the story went through 40 to 50 of oral tradition before it was written down. Because of the variations between the two accounts that we have today that were written down, it is difficult to know what the original story was.
Or, for that matter, the origin of the original story.
 
it's just me said:
And you were doing so well...
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??

Because I'm an atheist that knows the bible . . . or because I engage in biblical debate even though I'm an atheist? I see biblical characters as fictional characters - doesn't alter the discussions overall.
 
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