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How Does One Support Abortion And Give Money To Chldrens Charities?

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Isn't there are strong similarity to accepting the killing of children in war or conflict as long as it is not our children being killed? This is not intended to be a thread on abortion rather one of the origin or placement of morality. There have long been too many definitions of morality and most are founded in the idea it's OK to know others are being killed as long as it is not our people because somehow we are more moral than they are.
 
Perhaps we run in different circles, but I don't really remember too many people claiming they want any living children killed.

Your post confuses me as it doesn't really align with your thread title. Perhaps you can clarify?
 
It's the dirty little thing no one wants to talk about. We SAY that it's NOT OK for kids to be killed...and for the most part, we all believe that. I know of no one who would actually work AGAINST such a concept as world peace...

But our actions lack the conviction and veracity of our claims. At the end of the day, some kids being killed in some far off thrid world ****hole country is "part of the plan", we're USED to it, we EXPECT it. So are therefor less outraged by it, or at the very least, less likely to actually DO anything about it. If the US wanted to, it could FORCE peace on every country on this planet. It would be "stop fighting or we kill all of you". This would be, of course, an ultimate act of tyranny. Because then we would have to arbitrate all the disputes, and provide finality to them. But that would end the fighting. We choose not to go down that road because are precepts of freedom, and our desire for popularity, would suffer as a result. And, I think we generally lack the will to do what WOULD be necessary to enact such a policy...So long as it's not OUR kids being killed...well, unless they're soldiers, but again, THAT is also "part of the plan". In essence, it's a form of self deception that allows anyone who has it significantly better than another to go about their day, and go on with their life fairly guilt free. Sure, sure, some might go to protests and rallies...sure, sure, some might vote for people who claim to be against war...sure, sure, some might give to charity. These are all just tithes supporting our self deception. I don't think there's very many protesters out their that TRULY believe in their hearts that their little protest will make any difference what so ever...I don't think there's very many voters who TRULY believe THEIR candidate of choice is really going to do anything much different than the previous fella...I don't think there are very many givers to charity who think THEIR 20 cents out of a dollar is really going to actually make a world changing difference...not really. These are just subversive means of assuaging a guilty conscience...because in the end, I think we ALL know that we have a power that can change the world, if we would but care enough to unite for a common cause, like, stop blowing up kids into splattered little pieces in some other country, or chopping off their arms, etc. United, 300,000,000 americans could do anything....literally, anything we wanted...if we but cared enough to unite.

Abortion is an entirely different animal, in that it causes a confrontation between the rights of one vs another. Where you fall on that line can be logically reasoned, regardless OF where, because it's based on a very simple opinion of who's and what rights trump the others.
 
It's easy, you just support abortion and give money to children's charities.
 
Isn't there are strong similarity to accepting the killing of children in war or conflict as long as it is not our children being killed? This is not intended to be a thread on abortion rather one of the origin or placement of morality. There have long been too many definitions of morality and most are founded in the idea it's OK to know others are being killed as long as it is not our people because somehow we are more moral than they are.

At the risk of sounding like sacasim, I'm serious when I ask, what is the goal of morality and a moral system?
 
Isn't there are strong similarity to accepting the killing of children in war or conflict as long as it is not our children being killed? This is not intended to be a thread on abortion rather one of the origin or placement of morality. There have long been too many definitions of morality and most are founded in the idea it's OK to know others are being killed as long as it is not our people because somehow we are more moral than they are.
Yes there is that feeling of higher morality than others who are viewed as lower morality.

Most people who insist on abortions are only pushing it onto other people, and especially minority and poor babies to be aborted since poorer people are always viewed as less moral.

But I see the morality feeling as just a side issue, which makes people feel justified or superior but the feelings are really nothing as the feelings are not real.

The real thing as the reality is that people give away their personal power and give away our shared power and that is the over all real problem.

As in we give Political Leaders the power to take us into war, and allow the laws to tell us what is right or wrong, as like abortion is legalized then they can now call it as righteous because it is legal, and give our power away to the police, as in the police will do unjustified murder of teenagers and unarmed civilians and we give away that power. The Doctor says an abortion is necessary so the Doctor is righteous and over rules our own morality.

When we give away our power to brutes who will do our dirty work then it becomes easier to feel morally right.
 
yeah, it's pretty common for humans to act in contradiction to their stated beliefs....

There's no contradiction. By supporting the first, you save money on the second. You also save children and their reluctant parents from a miserable life of poverty and need.
 
There's no contradiction. By supporting the first, you save money on the second. You also save children and their reluctant parents from a miserable life of poverty and need.

that's one way to look at it, but not the only way.

one could look at it like ...supporting the killing of fetuses doesn't reconcile well with supporting the welfare of children.

in any event,I see this as kinda like the popular pro-choice meme of pro-lifers supporting bringing kids into the world, but they supposedly don't support them after the birth.
it's largely bull**** , but it's bull**** that will be bought by the respective camps as "truth"
 
There's no contradiction. By supporting the first, you save money on the second. You also save children and their reluctant parents from a miserable life of poverty and need.

I don't see a contradiction either.
 
one could look at it like ...supporting the killing of fetuses

It's supporting the rights of women. If it was men who gave birth then abortion would be legal all over the world.
 
Isn't there are strong similarity to accepting the killing of children in war or conflict as long as it is not our children being killed? This is not intended to be a thread on abortion rather one of the origin or placement of morality. There have long been too many definitions of morality and most are founded in the idea it's OK to know others are being killed as long as it is not our people because somehow we are more moral than they are.

Humans do okay knowing that people are being killed. We let it happen all the time and oft profit by the death without a second thought.
 
is your perspective the only available perspective?

Aren't you used to people having their own opinions? Of course it is not the only perspective, what a facile question.
 
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Aren't you used to people having their own opinions? Of course it is not the only perspective, what a facile question.

umm.. i'm not the one trying to correct your perspective as if it's wrong..... that would be you.
 
At the risk of sounding like sacasim, I'm serious when I ask, what is the goal of morality and a moral system?

It is so that people can live together without hostility or barbarism or atrocities, etc etc.

There can not be a functioning society where immorality is unchecked or unsuppressed.

Without having enforced moral standards then we fear the humans will act out as violent brute beast and that is not acceptable.

I would agree that government force or police force are not required because morality has a built in force and power which will always rule over human beings.
 
umm.. i'm not the one trying to correct your perspective as if it's wrong..... that would be you.

I'm not very good at gnomic utterances but I suppose you think that means something.
 
I don't see a contradiction either.

That is because there is a difference between 'QUANITY' and 'QUALITY'. Many people who are poor because they had too many kids for the resources they had. If they had restricted themselves to 1 or 2, their children would have a much better set of opportunity , because their parents would be able to devote more resources to providing a better home life, and better education.
 
It's easy, you just support abortion and give money to children's charities.

I just about find time to eat a few babies and sacrifice a few virgins between supporting abortion and giving money to charity. Makes for a busy day.
 
I just about find time to eat a few babies and sacrifice a few virgins between supporting abortion and giving money to charity. Makes for a busy day.

I find that babies taste best roasted.
 
I just about find time to eat a few babies and sacrifice a few virgins between supporting abortion and giving money to charity. Makes for a busy day.

I like mine in a nice stew.

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