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Why the Judeo-Christian God is, GOD

tosca1 said:
Name one.
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Hinduism - The deities of hinduism are all manifestations of Brahman, the one 'true' cosmic unpersonifiable entity that exists in a timeless eternal state and created everything (i.e. creator existing outside of space and time)
 
lizzie said:
If there is only one, then whatever one's concept of God, IS God. THe Aboriginal tribesman's God is the same God as yours. You may not conceptualize it the same, but it is the same thing.
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If there is no difference, then why did God have to make His stipulations about worshipping other gods?

Like I said, I don't know the fate of those who'd not received the Gospel, like the aboriginals as an example. It's not for me to say it's the same thing, that it's okay. Only God knows.
 
tosca1 said:
Name one.
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Sikhism - Sikh doctrine identifies one panentheistic god (Ek Onkar) who is omnipresent and has infinite qualities, whose name is true (Satnam), can do anything (Karta purkh), has no fear (Nirb hau), is not the enemy of anyone (Nirvair), is beyond time (Akaal), has no image (Murat), is beyond birth and death circulation (Ajunee), is self-existent (Sai Bhang) and possesses the grace of word guru (eternal light) we can meet him (Gurprasaad). Sikhs do not identify a gender for Ek Onkar, nor do they believe it takes a human form.
 
tosca1 said:
Name one.
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Baha'i - The Bahá'í writings describe a single, personal, inaccessible, omniscient, omnipresent, imperishable, and almighty God who is the creator of all things in the universe. The existence of God is thought to be eternal, without a beginning or end.
 
tosca1 said:
Name one.
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Islam - The Qur'an asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world; a unique and indivisible being who is independent of the entire creation.
 
Nilly said:
Hinduism - The deities of hinduism are all manifestations of Brahman, the one 'true' cosmic unpersonifiable entity that exists in a timeless eternal state and created everything (i.e. creator existing outside of space and time)
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Which one exactly? They have many creation stories.


According to the Purāṇas, Brahmā is self-born in the lotus flower. Another legend says that Brahmā was born in water, or from a seed that later became the golden egg, Hiranyagarbha. From this golden egg, Brahmā, the creator was born.

Brahma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Furthermore, how can someone born of something, be the Creator of ALL things?
 
tosca1 said:
What other gods qualify?
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I vote for this one:


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Nilly said:
Sikhism - Sikh doctrine identifies one panentheistic god (Ek Onkar) who is omnipresent and has infinite qualities, whose name is true (Satnam), can do anything (Karta purkh), has no fear (Nirb hau), is not the enemy of anyone (Nirvair), is beyond time (Akaal), has no image (Murat), is beyond birth and death circulation (Ajunee), is self-existent (Sai Bhang) and possesses the grace of word guru (eternal light) we can meet him (Gurprasaad). Sikhs do not identify a gender for Ek Onkar, nor do they believe it takes a human form.
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It's been founded in the 15th century!
 
tosca1 said:
Which one exactly? They have many creation stories.


According to the Purāṇas, Brahmā is self-born in the lotus flower. Another legend says that Brahmā was born in water, or from a seed that later became the golden egg, Hiranyagarbha. From this golden egg, Brahmā, the creator was born.

Brahma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Furthermore, how can someone born of something, be the Creator of ALL things?
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Brahma and Brahman are different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
 
Nilly said:
Islam - The Qur'an asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world; a unique and indivisible being who is independent of the entire creation.
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Islam is an Abrahamic religion. The common origin from the Biblical Abraham.
 
Nilly said:
Baha'i - The Bahá'í writings describe a single, personal, inaccessible, omniscient, omnipresent, imperishable, and almighty God who is the creator of all things in the universe. The existence of God is thought to be eternal, without a beginning or end.
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Baha'i is an offshoot of Shi'a Islam - so I assume it's also Abrahamic.
 
Nilly said:
Islam - The Qur'an asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world; a unique and indivisible being who is independent of the entire creation.
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That would be the God of Abraham too. The OT God.

See- independent of the entire Creation.
 
tosca1 said:
It's been founded in the 15th century!
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So? Christianity took until the 0th (or first or something) century to be founded? It's 100,000 years younger than humanity. 5000 years younger than Hinduism? If you want to paint Christianity as special then I'd stay far away from the age =validity argument if I were you.
 
tosca1 said:
So, which is the official creation story?
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Ok so we're a bit all over the place lets collect our thoughts.

We will throw out the other Abrahamic religions as they're the same god - not sure about Baha'i but we'll count it (although this still begs the question why is Christianity correct over Judaism/Islam/Baha'i - we can get to that later)

This leaves us with

Abrahamic
Hinduism
Sikhism

Now then, by what criteria is the Abrahamic god special whereby the others are not.

In addition.

1. Why is fulfilling that criteria indicative of being the one true god?
2. Is the criteria actually fulfilled or is it just claimed to be fulfilled?


P.S. With regards to Hinduism, there isn't really an 'official' story. However, in certain sects Brahman is considered the 'supreme cosmic spirit'. It isn't anthropomorphized like God is but it is considered eternal and infinite, and any other deities, or anything material (such as the Earth) is part of it.
 
Nilly said:
So? Christianity took until the 0th (or first or something) century to be founded? It's 100,000 years younger than humanity. 5000 years younger than Hinduism? If you want to paint Christianity as special then I'd stay far away from the age =validity argument if I were you.
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Something that's been founded in the 15th century isn't comparable to ancient religions. How do we know that new religions were not inspired by the ancient ones?
 
Nilly said:
Ok so we're a bit all over the place lets collect our thoughts.

We will throw out the other Abrahamic religions as they're the same god - not sure about Baha'i but we'll count it (although this still begs the question why is Christianity correct over Judaism/Islam/Baha'i - we can get to that later)

This leaves us with

Abrahamic
Hinduism
Sikhism
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Sikhism is out.
 
Nilly said:
Now then, by what criteria is the Abrahamic god special whereby the others are not.

In addition.

1. Why is fulfilling that criteria indicative of being the one true god?
2. Is the criteria actually fulfilled or is it just claimed to be fulfilled?


P.S. With regards to Hinduism, there isn't really an 'official' story. However, in certain sects Brahman is considered the 'supreme cosmic spirit'. It isn't anthropomorphized like God is but it is considered eternal and infinite, and any other deities, or anything material (such as the Earth) is part of it.
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Well, I think the best answer will be:

How can Brahma be the Creator of ALL things

if he was created by something else?



Then too, Hinduism has too many varying creation stories .
 
Clearly Amon-Ra created the world and other gods are merely rebellious servants of the one true deity. Amon-Ra created himself first from nothing, and then all the universe around him. The Jewish god (and thus the one appropriated by Christians) is probably just Aten, the rebellious and explicitly evil usurper who tried to supplant the one true religion around four thousand years ago, by another name. All Abramahic religion is just heresy against Amon-Ra.

This is just as reasonable a conclusion as anything advanced by the OP.
 
Paschendale said:
Clearly Amon-Ra created the world and other gods are merely rebellious servants of the one true deity. Amon-Ra created himself first from nothing, and then all the universe around him. The Jewish god (and thus the one appropriated by Christians) is probably just Aten, the rebellious and explicitly evil usurper who tried to supplant the one true religion around four thousand years ago, by another name. All Abramahic religion is just heresy against Amon-Ra.

This is just as reasonable a conclusion as anything advanced by the OP.
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That is if you just ignore the fact that we have the Bible - existing for thousands of years, and still is, today! It endures!

And everything that can be said about the Bible (which I won't bother to get into), it's consistency from the first page to the last, and relating to prophecies, various areas of science, etc..,


NOTHING COMPARES TO THE BOOK OF THE CREATOR.
 
tosca1 said:
Something that's been founded in the 15th century isn't comparable to ancient religions. How do we know that new religions were not inspired by the ancient ones?
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Sikhism is closer in age to Christianity than Christianity is to Hinduism.

Christianity is not an ancient religion when you consider the egyptian, greek, hindu religions that far preceded it.

Like Paschendale said, how do we know that Christianity wasn't inspired by the truly ancient ones.

tosca1 said:
Well, I think the best answer will be:

How can Brahma be the Creator of ALL things

if he was created by something else?



Then too, Hinduism has too many varying creation stories .
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Brahman wasn't created by something else. Brahma =/= Brahman, I already said that.
 
Nilly said:
Sikhism is closer in age to Christianity than Christianity is to Hinduism.
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So what? How do you know it didn't cherry-pick among ancient religion creation stories?

Clearly, Judeo-Christian creation is nowhere the same as Hinduism.
 
Paschendale said:
Clearly Amon-Ra created the world and other gods are merely rebellious servants of the one true deity. Amon-Ra created himself first from nothing, and then all the universe around him.
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He was allegedly a solar god! Why is he limited to that? Furthermore, he was merged with the god Horus in later time. How can that be?

He's also described as a MYTH!

He was also said to have self-created himself. Self-created?? That must be where Dennett got his idea of the self-creating universe! :lol:

Let's get a grip, here....


Mirror, mirror on the wall
Who's the real god of them all
in this pantheistic world they live in
Pharaoh, horus or amon ra,
or nature - everything is a god
 
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tosca1 said:
So what? How do you know it didn't cherry-pick among ancient religion creation stories?

Clearly, Judeo-Christian creation is nowhere the same as Hinduism.
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'Clearly'.

There has been more time between the founding of Christianity and Hinduism then the age of Christianity itself. That's a hell of a lot of time for a religion to morph from one ridiculous idea (Brahman, the infinite eternal entity) to another (God, the other infinite eternal entity). Not to mention the numerous hundreds of other religions that predated Christinaity (Egyptian, Paganism, Roman etc) that contain similar themes and ideas to Christianity.

As for Amon Ra being a solar god, that's because the egyptians only knew about the earth and the sun so that's all they could attribute to him? The Christian god used to rule over the Earth and the heavens, when we only knew about the Earth and the sky. Soon after when we discovered the rest of the universe he was recast to rule the entire universe. And now he's been recast again to exist outside time and space as some kind of insurance incase we discover multiple universes or something. The difference between Yahweh and Amon Ra is that Yahweh still has people willing to move the goalposts so that he remains divine and special.

Your religion has no more ground to stand on than any others. It is not particularly special in any way, it is neither old in it's creation, not unique in it's scriptures. It's book does not have any divine authorship that others do not also claim to have. Believe in your religion, fine, but it's time to accept that the only way in which your religion is different from the others is that you were born into your particular one.
 
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