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Religion - Coping Mechanism

DDD said:
In the infinite probability of universes the magical concepts of "green unicorns that live in Saturn moons," "God," and "afterlife" may be real to such a small degree. But either way it does not works like that in this universe. You got to support what you claim with actual empirical evidence.
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Which is why religion is "faith" based and not "science" based. Apples and oranges and all that...
 
CLAX1911 said:
why do you insist on arguing this? People are going to believe in the afterlife, nothing will change that. With no proof even. They likely don't feel they need proof.
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Because it's a coping mechanism.

Sure makes everything far more appealing to think that "no matter what happens in life - there's always the promise of what comes next."

Or that grandma and grandpa will "be there to meet you on the other side". They're not "gone forever". They're simple "waiting for you to join them".

Much more appealing and heart warming than thinking this is all there is, and grammy and grampy are little more than worm food and dirt now.
 
DDD said:
There is zero evidence that green unicorns live in the core of Saturns moons neither. Why should the logical fallacy of appealing to the unknown apply for the "afterlife" concept and not for the green unicorns then?
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There's zero physical evidence for abiogenesis either, but you believe it had to happen anyway.

Oh ye of GREAT FAITH!!
 
Dragonfly said:
Gimme a short list, top five, pieces of evidence that are NOT biblical/religious. Please.
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You can find them on the Net. Google "Afterlife experiences" and "Evidence for afterlife".
 
DDD said:
This is appealing to the unknown logical fallacy. We can only claim things that are logically supported with actual empirical evidence.
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YOU made a claim. I'm simply stating that there are NO tests to provide proof. It is not proving a black hole exists. It is different. So how can you expect one to provide evidence without having a standard of evidence?

As I said, it is an individual issue. Mostly though, horny legal adolescents may suffer more from religious limitations of abstinence.
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Not having sex is not suffering.

Life is meaningless, and this is another existential given. But because one makes meaning it is not necessarily doomed throughout one's life.

Everyone gets "trumped by time" and dies. This is another existential given. Sadly, no amount of believing in religious lies can spare one from this inevitable demise. Afterlife is an illusion.
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Again. A depressing thought. Humanity is pointless and life is pointless. Why bother with anything then? Your meaning is meaningless.

Btw...what standards of evidence do we need to discuss proving an afterlife? Again...there isn't a standard of evidence. We can't bring back a rock. We can't make a math equation.
 
DDD said:
The religious require going against all logic and evidence. Here for example: There is no actual empirical evidence of "God's" existence. Yet they believe in it in blind faith (i.e., go against logic and evidence).
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From a scientific standpoint, wouldn't the only rational belief be tolerant uncertainty? You say there is no actual empirical evidence of "God's" existence, and for argument's sake I'll assume that's true. Simultaneously, I'm unaware of any empirical evidence that provides a conclusive disproof of "God's" existence.
 
DDD said:
Both sensory input and intelligence has genetic basis. What is so immaterial about them?

How will the virtue of a human being make a genius out of an idiot?
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Psychometrically speaking, intelligence is an immaterial psychological construct. That is one of the assumptions of psychology - that these immaterial psychological constructs can be observed indirectly and why construct validity is so important in the field.

In laymen's terms, intelligence is a label for a hypothetical continuum defined and measured by the behaviors/phenomenon we can observe.
 
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I have a philosophical question: does it take a degree of faith for a blind man to believe that other people or their animal companions can see accurately?
 
DDD said:
Both sensory input and intelligence has genetic basis. What is so immaterial about them?
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Intelligence is not genetic! intelligence quotient is.

How will the virtue of a human being make a genius out of an idiot?[/QUOTE]

What do you mean?
 
Dragonfly said:
Because it's a coping mechanism.

Sure makes everything far more appealing to think that "no matter what happens in life - there's always the promise of what comes next."

Or that grandma and grandpa will "be there to meet you on the other side". They're not "gone forever". They're simple "waiting for you to join them".

Much more appealing and heart warming than thinking this is all there is, and grammy and grampy are little more than worm food and dirt now.
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Nobody is arguing that it isn't a coping mechanism. If course it is.

How dare people cope with things.
 
Paleocon said:
Intelligence is not genetic! intelligence quotient is.
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Intelligence is genetic. This is so because the offspring of intelligent people tends to be genetic also. The IQ is just a measure.

Paleocon said:
What do you mean?
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If by the shear virtue of being a human one can be intelligent also (hence apprehend the universals) then why is not this virtue making geniuses out of idiots?
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Psychometrically speaking, intelligence is an immaterial psychological construct. That is one of the assumptions of psychology - that these immaterial psychological constructs can be observed indirectly and why construct validity is so important in the field.

In laymen's terms, intelligence is a label for a hypothetical continuum defined and measured by the behaviors/phenomenon we can observe.
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Biopsychologically speaking in non-laymen's terms, intelligence has genetic basis. This is so because intelligent people tend to have intelligent offspring.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
From a scientific standpoint, wouldn't the only rational belief be tolerant uncertainty? You say there is no actual empirical evidence of "God's" existence, and for argument's sake I'll assume that's true. Simultaneously, I'm unaware of any empirical evidence that provides a conclusive disproof of "God's" existence.
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That is because attempting to disproof with evidence is a logical fallacy named >>Appealing to the unknown<<. How it works is that things that exist should be backed by actual empirical evidence. Then they earn belief.

Since there are none for "God" and "aferlife" then they do not exist.
 
Logicman said:
There's zero physical evidence for abiogenesis either, but you believe it had to happen anyway.
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Because abiogenesis is no longer supported it has been dropped as a theory. The religious concepts of "God" and "afterlife" are not supported with actual empirical evidence, hence they should be dropped also.
 
stonewall50 said:
YOU made a claim. I'm simply stating that there are NO tests to provide proof. It is not proving a black hole exists. It is different. So how can you expect one to provide evidence without having a standard of evidence?
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Here is the claim: Religion imposes limitations in one's life. Those limitations may constrict the quality of life and cause people to suffer needlessly over a lie of an "afterlife" and "God."

stonewall50 said:
Not having sex is not suffering.
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Yes, tell that to the horny teenagers and adults!

stonewall50 said:
Again. A depressing thought. Humanity is pointless and life is pointless. Why bother with anything then? Your meaning is meaningless.
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Thanks, but my meaning is meaningful to me. I do not expect it to be meaningful to you.

stonewall50 said:
Btw...what standards of evidence do we need to discuss proving an afterlife? Again...there isn't a standard of evidence. We can't bring back a rock. We can't make a math equation.
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An objective observation that can be accessed objectively from the most of the world's population would be fine.
 
Ockham said:
Which is why religion is "faith" based and not "science" based. Apples and oranges and all that...
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Exactly,

While we try to tie the lose ends with actual empirical evidence, they do it in blind faith, wishful and magical thinking.
 
Dragonfly said:
Because it's a coping mechanism.

Sure makes everything far more appealing to think that "no matter what happens in life - there's always the promise of what comes next."

Or that grandma and grandpa will "be there to meet you on the other side". They're not "gone forever". They're simple "waiting for you to join them".

Much more appealing and heart warming than thinking this is all there is, and grammy and grampy are little more than worm food and dirt now.
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Right,

So the fairy tales above seem more appealing. The appeal draws in faith and could be used as a coping mechanism. Nothing wrong with that, and each to their own. But if left unchecked people lose their critical thinking skills and believe any BS because it said so.

Weak in critical thinking religion kicks in and capitalizes on such blind believers. They draw real money from people. They use such people to gain political gains and more money, and so on.
 
Dragonfly said:
That's pretty much another way of saying:

"No, I can't."
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Nonsense. You want to stay in the dark and refuse to do your due-diligence then don't be surprised when you get to the Judgment and find out too late your goose is cooked.
 
Logicman said:
Christ is Risen! And you and all the king's men with all your sophomoric claims to the contrary still haven't been able to see the light.
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Pure and utter fabricated religious nonsense. I can freely say that because there is no actual empirical evidence for religious concepts such as "God" and "afterlife."
 
DDD said:
Pure and utter fabricated religious nonsense. I can freely say that because there is no actual empirical evidence for religious concepts such as "God" and "afterlife."
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Still can't bust the resurrection I see. That will haunt you the rest of your life.
 
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