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My Bias, My Burden

KevinKohler

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I have often tried to keep myself out of religious threads, due to my propensity to vilify both the beliefs and the believers of the judeo based religions. I simply can't debate them with a clear head, with an open mind, or with my usual (I hope!) detachment from the subject. I am like a lawyer trying to defend myself, or my child. I have received numerous infractions for some of the things I have said in the religious forum, which is why this post is not happening there. I don't disagree with my infractions...I broke the rules. I DO, however, disagree with the rules, but if it keeps order, so be it. A job well done on such subject matter, in my book. Anyway, I'm not really sure why I'm typing this, other than that I have perhaps had a bit too much to drink, and am simply wishing to elaborate on my bias, on the WHY of my antagonism towards Christianity in particular, and the others by association and deed.
 
I grew up in South Carolina, a misplaced child of the 80s. I was raised in a fairly religious family, though I think my dad was never into it. He never went to church. In his defense, he worked 6 days a week, and he took his rightful day of rest. We started Baptist, but eventually went to Presbyterian. For those of you less versed in the many denominations, Presbyterianism is like Christianity 2.0 Light. Less literal, some would say more evolved...others, hell bound. But I believed. I have read the Bible cover to cover twice, though that was years ago. Around the same time I tackled the Lord of the Rings trilogy. First time I finished it, I was about...13, I think? I have gone to church retreats in which the pastors informed me I had a calling, due to my ability to help older kids through their questions and calamities of faith. They all believed in me. I believed, and I was happy, because I was able to do the lord's work, I was able to help people.

Also around that time I met my best friend, who shared my name, Kevin. He and his family had started going to the same church. It took us all of about....15 seconds, to realize we would be friends, and not long after to realize, best friends. We did everything together. Explored the woods, of which there was plenty, read comic books, played video games, etc. I used to stay out past my curfew just to hang out with him. He lived a short bike ride from me. Things remained pretty much the same, all through middle school, but around 10th grade, in Highschool, things seemed to change...I know not how, but I believe that, somehow, I suspected that my friend, the closest and most intimate person in my life, was gay. I never really came to it fully, but thinking back on it, I can't help but think that I at least suspected it. He never said, and I never asked. Don't ask, don't tell, lol. I think it was because of the number of times we had gone over the subject of Christianity and homosexuality. A subject that was quite clear, both to everyone in the community, and in the Bible itself. I answered many of his questions with scripture. I never judged him, but the thing that was most important to me at the time certainly did. He became more reclusive, quit the marching band, quit everything in school, and stayed home, wouldn't go outside much, though at the time, I thought it was because of the greatest video game system ever unleashed, the Playstation.

On March 20, 1999, I went to his house to find that his parents weren't home, which was unexpected, as they were always home on the weekend. I went home. I got the phone call several hours later. Kevin, my best friend, had drank antifreeze, and killed himself. He left a note. An apology to the world for what he was, for his inability to be what God commanded of him. He was gay, and had tired of trying to not be. I have the words reading out in my mind even now, as I type this, but I'll never repeat them. No one but those who knew him deserve to know his final thoughts.

He was so pale. He didn't look like himself. His was the first dead body I had ever seen. During the service ( a religious one), his parents, nor anyone else, (especially not the pastor) made any mention of his being gay, which he outed himself in his suicide note. I alone spoke the truth that day, the reason why he was dead, why my best friend would never go hiking with me again. His parents were OUTRAGED, and mine as well, and the pastor, to his credit, calmly, but FIRMLY, ushered me out of a side door, to the quoir room, where I stayed for a long time.

I have never spoken to his parents again. I have never seen them again. They can't die soon enough, as far as I'm concerned. Gallons of alcohol, 4 years of college with an entire new set of great friends, drugs, nothing, well ever erase my crime. It won't wash the blood from my hands, and it won't blur the memory of it's feel, it's vivid color. It won't remove his name nor his face from my mind, and it won't make my actions justified. I will never be free of it. My faults during that time of my life will dog me till the day I die. I used to think, things will change over time. But I'm 33, and I'm typing this for all the world to see. Clearly, the years have not chipped away at this as I thought.

And now, what to do with it? This bottled up guilt and rage? An anger such that, truly, my hands shake as I type this, my body shivers. All I can say is, for those of you who adhere to these beliefs, and who are, genuinely, good people, I'm sorry, I really am. But how good can you be, when you adhere to something so obaminable, so awful, so segregating and divisive? How good can you be, when you adhere to something that kills in so heinous a way?
 
So, you weak minded friend killed himself with antifreeze. Because he was scared to "come out"? Sorry. But that is not a reason for suicide.
And no religion, of any stripe killed him in a "heinous way". He killed himself.
 
So, you weak minded friend killed himself with antifreeze. Because he was scared to "come out"? Sorry. But that is not a reason for suicide.
And no religion, of any stripe killed him in a "heinous way". He killed himself.

Like a breath of fresh air.



Quite refreshing.
 
Call me what you will, I have very little sympathy for suicide. People that do it, are not looking for sympathy. The ones that "attempt" it are looking for attention.
Now if they are ill, in tremendous pain and nothing can help. I guess that's different. Kill yourself because you are gay? Nope.
 
IAnd now, what to do with it? This bottled up guilt and rage? An anger such that, truly, my hands shake as I type this, my body shivers. All I can say is, for those of you who adhere to these beliefs, and who are, genuinely, good people, I'm sorry, I really am. But how good can you be, when you adhere to something so obaminable, so awful, so segregating and divisive? How good can you be, when you adhere to something that kills in so heinous a way?

You keep the guilt and rage in it proper perspective, as yesterday was something which was lived in the mind and body that you had back then. It was his choice to kill himself, and if you two were the best of friends, then that was the best gift you could have given him. One of my closest friend in high school shot herself in the head. Not because she was gay, but because she was pregnant. She never told me, nor any of her other friends, as far as I know. We had been the best of friends for years, and she should have known she could talk to me, but she didn't. For years, I blamed her parents. For years, I blamed myself for not being able to read her mind and be there for her, but there are some people who just cannot divulge a part of themselves, no matter what. One of my sons was that way. It isn't Christianity that killed your friend. It wasn't you that killed your friend, and it wasn't his parents. It was his choice, and his alone. We all have our human faults, he did, you do, I do, and everyone else on this planet does. I have been to the point that I didn't want to live any longer. It was my choice that I am still here.

If you had been a mind-reader, perhaps you could have intervened, just as I could have had I been able to read the minds of my son, by best friend, and a gorgeous and talented young man that I used to hang around with in young adulthood. The fact is, I don't read minds, and neither do you.

You are not the same man today, that you were back then. The things that you did back then were the collective result of your life up to that point in time. You acted solely on your understanding of the world and of reality at that point in time. It does absolutely no good to live in guilt and remorse, for something which you could not have changed, and never WILL be able to change. Chalk it up as a lesson learned, and let it go. Hold on to the sweet memories.
 
I have never spoken to his parents again. I have never seen them again. They can't die soon enough, as far as I'm concerned. Gallons of alcohol, 4 years of college with an entire new set of great friends, drugs, nothing, well ever erase my crime. It won't wash the blood from my hands, and it won't blur the memory of it's feel, it's vivid color. It won't remove his name nor his face from my mind, and it won't make my actions justified. I will never be free of it. My faults during that time of my life will dog me till the day I die. I used to think, things will change over time. But I'm 33, and I'm typing this for all the world to see. Clearly, the years have not chipped away at this as I thought.

And now, what to do with it? This bottled up guilt and rage? An anger such that, truly, my hands shake as I type this, my body shivers. All I can say is, for those of you who adhere to these beliefs, and who are, genuinely, good people, I'm sorry, I really am. But how good can you be, when you adhere to something so obaminable, so awful, so segregating and divisive? How good can you be, when you adhere to something that kills in so heinous a way?

First, let me say that I no longer go to the religion forum due entirely to the special rules that apply there.

Second, why on Earth would you feel guilty about speaking the truth? Here, we have a congregation ignoring the reason why your friend committed suicide. The plain fact is that, had he been allowed to be what god made him to be, with no apology necessary, he would never have found it necessary to drink anti freeze. The fault lies totally and entirely with the bigotry that would not allow him to "come out" and who taught him that being gay was a sin.

As for your final paragraph, just direct the rage toward the bigotry and not toward the people. They have simply been taught falsehood and have believed it.

You're to be commended for speaking the truth in a difficult situation.

(had to delete some of your statement because the combination was too long to post)
 
I don't understand why anybody would think it's a commonplace to talk about a death being due to suicide at the funeral.
 
It isn't easy to really allow God into your life. It isn't easy for people and, sometimes, it isn't easy for a church.

Religion isn't an answer to anything. It's simply a pathway to peace.
 
Call me what you will, I have very little sympathy for suicide. People that do it, are not looking for sympathy. The ones that "attempt" it are looking for attention.
Now if they are ill, in tremendous pain and nothing can help. I guess that's different. Kill yourself because you are gay? Nope.

I will call you the worst thing I can think of at the moment, and that is, typical.

He didn't kill himself because he was gay.
 
You keep the guilt and rage in it proper perspective, as yesterday was something which was lived in the mind and body that you had back then. It was his choice to kill himself, and if you two were the best of friends, then that was the best gift you could have given him. One of my closest friend in high school shot herself in the head. Not because she was gay, but because she was pregnant. She never told me, nor any of her other friends, as far as I know. We had been the best of friends for years, and she should have known she could talk to me, but she didn't. For years, I blamed her parents. For years, I blamed myself for not being able to read her mind and be there for her, but there are some people who just cannot divulge a part of themselves, no matter what. One of my sons was that way. It isn't Christianity that killed your friend. It wasn't you that killed your friend, and it wasn't his parents. It was his choice, and his alone. We all have our human faults, he did, you do, I do, and everyone else on this planet does. I have been to the point that I didn't want to live any longer. It was my choice that I am still here.

If you had been a mind-reader, perhaps you could have intervened, just as I could have had I been able to read the minds of my son, by best friend, and a gorgeous and talented young man that I used to hang around with in young adulthood. The fact is, I don't read minds, and neither do you.

You are not the same man today, that you were back then. The things that you did back then were the collective result of your life up to that point in time. You acted solely on your understanding of the world and of reality at that point in time. It does absolutely no good to live in guilt and remorse, for something which you could not have changed, and never WILL be able to change. Chalk it up as a lesson learned, and let it go. Hold on to the sweet memories.

That's what I used to tell myself. A lesson learned. Something that makes me stronger. And in a since, it has.


But ultimately, a friend in need reached out to me with questions, questions I answered with stoic denial, dismissal, and rejection. Questions that christianity failed to provide me with the proper answers for, and that failure resulted in suicidal resignation.
 
First, let me say that I no longer go to the religion forum due entirely to the special rules that apply there.

Second, why on Earth would you feel guilty about speaking the truth? Here, we have a congregation ignoring the reason why your friend committed suicide. The plain fact is that, had he been allowed to be what god made him to be, with no apology necessary, he would never have found it necessary to drink anti freeze. The fault lies totally and entirely with the bigotry that would not allow him to "come out" and who taught him that being gay was a sin.

As for your final paragraph, just direct the rage toward the bigotry and not toward the people. They have simply been taught falsehood and have believed it.

You're to be commended for speaking the truth in a difficult situation.

(had to delete some of your statement because the combination was too long to post)

I don't feel guilty about speaking the truth, I feel guilty about my failure to see his many questions on the same subject for what it was, a cry for acceptance, acceptance I did not grant.
 
But ultimately, a friend in need reached out to me with questions, questions I answered with stoic denial, dismissal, and rejection. Questions that christianity failed to provide me with the proper answers for, and that failure resulted in suicidal resignation.

As I said, you were reacting based on who you were, and your perception of reality at that time. We all, for the most part, act in good faith, based on our knowledge and perceptions, at any given point in time. You did nothing wrong. The church did nothing wrong. His parents did nothing wrong.
 
I don't understand why anybody would think it's a commonplace to talk about a death being due to suicide at the funeral.

Because his life was being glossed over, everything that he was was being covered over and ignored in order to support a fiction, one necessary to maintain the illusions of peace and rest afforded by their chosen religion. Why, his parents asked, prior to the wake. As if his note left ANYTHING to doubt. It was all a show, a fiction, to save face, and to uphold the false dream of a life everlasting NOT being denied to their son. A facade they erected because the tenets of the very thing that caused him untold self hatred demanded it.

I had no course but to say what I did. It was the first step in a long long road towards redemption.
 
It isn't easy to really allow God into your life. It isn't easy for people and, sometimes, it isn't easy for a church.

Religion isn't an answer to anything. It's simply a pathway to peace.

Sometimes.



And sometimes, I agree with you.
 
As I said, you were reacting based on who you were, and your perception of reality at that time. We all, for the most part, act in good faith, based on our knowledge and perceptions, at any given point in time. You did nothing wrong. The church did nothing wrong. His parents did nothing wrong.

And for all of this lack of wrong doing, a young boy hated himself so, to kill himself. I don't absolve myself, nor his parents, nor our religion at the time, of guilt. The knowledge of wrongdoing is my ballast, a moral compass that has, thus far, not let me down since.

Perhaps religion could learn a lesson from THAT.
 
And for all of this lack of wrong doing, a young boy hated himself so, to kill himself. I don't absolve myself, nor his parents, nor our religion at the time, of guilt. The knowledge of wrongdoing is my ballast, a moral compass that has, thus far, not let me down since.

Perhaps religion could learn a lesson from THAT.

Well, as someone who has been through a few horrible depressive episodes in her lifetime, I hated myself as well. Someone who has not been there mentally and emotionally does not understand what is happening in that head space. It's horrible. I understand. Truly I do. I understand better than you can possibly imagine. THat being said, I had what it took to survive my own self-hatred. Your friend did not.
If you feel that you must keep holding on to the guilt, and that you, his parents, and religion are to blame, then that is something that you must do and deal with yourself. You are the only one who can change your perceptions, and you are the one who wants to hold on to it.

It isn't the job of "religion" to learn anything at all. We learn. We believe (or not) for our reasons. Blaming religion is a futile endeavor, but if that's what helps you get through the day, it doesn't hurt a thing.
 
Well, as someone who has been through a few horrible depressive episodes in her lifetime, I hated myself as well. Someone who has not been there mentally and emotionally does not understand what is happening in that head space. It's horrible. I understand. Truly I do. I understand better than you can possibly imagine. THat being said, I had what it took to survive my own self-hatred. Your friend did not.
If you feel that you must keep holding on to the guilt, and that you, his parents, and religion are to blame, then that is something that you must do and deal with yourself. You are the only one who can change your perceptions, and you are the one who wants to hold on to it.

It isn't the job of "religion" to learn anything at all. We learn. We believe (or not) for our reasons. Blaming religion is a futile endeavor, but if that's what helps you get through the day, it doesn't hurt a thing.

Religion prevents us from learning. Dogma is the antithesis of change.
 
I have often tried to keep myself out of religious threads, due to my propensity to vilify both the beliefs and the believers of the judeo based religions. I simply can't debate them with a clear head, with an open mind, or with my usual (I hope!) detachment from the subject. I am like a lawyer trying to defend myself, or my child. I have received numerous infractions for some of the things I have said in the religious forum, which is why this post is not happening there. I don't disagree with my infractions...I broke the rules. I DO, however, disagree with the rules, but if it keeps order, so be it. A job well done on such subject matter, in my book. Anyway, I'm not really sure why I'm typing this, other than that I have perhaps had a bit too much to drink, and am simply wishing to elaborate on my bias, on the WHY of my antagonism towards Christianity in particular, and the others by association and deed.

If you are not a person of faith, then it begs the question what do you gain from antagonizing other people who are? Unfortunately too many people are like that and fortunately this site at least tries to manage it somewhat better than others do.
 
If you are not a person of faith, then it begs the question what do you gain from antagonizing other people who are? Unfortunately too many people are like that and fortunately this site at least tries to manage it somewhat better than others do.

It allows me an opportunity to vent myself upon that which I hold in low regard.

If you are not a conservative, it begs the question, what do you gain from antagonizing people that are?


Honestly, though, a lack of true gain is why I do my best to completely avoid religious forums and threads.
 
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