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American Love

michijo

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Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe. In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning. Only a flippant idiot would believe love an effectual ultimatum for Americans. All forms of tolerance only end with the most ruthless greed in control of the government and society.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?
 
Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe. In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning. Only a flippant idiot would believe love an effectual ultimatum for Americans. All forms of tolerance only end with the most ruthless greed in control of the government and society.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?


One needn't get married to stay in the US. One can get a business to sponsor them and work towards permanent residency.
 
One needn't get married to stay in the US. One can get a business to sponsor them and work towards permanent residency.

I actually am not sure what you are responding to. Perhaps you meant to post that to another thread? I didnt mention marriage or becoming a citizen in the OP.
 
I actually am not sure what you are responding to. Perhaps you meant to post that to another thread? I didnt mention marriage or becoming a citizen in the OP.

Perhaps I missed the point.
 
How does the presence of crime negate the benefit of love? Tolerance begets ruthless greed? Are you sure that your Kool-Aid has not been spiked?
 
America is superficial. Ive noticed more and more that people talk about emotions the way they are presented by advertising. The way advertising always uses like existential slogans now like "life is an adventure. we'll help you pack." Its like life and love in America are these phony slogans people have learned from TV, ads, church, or elsewhere, and none of them have to deal with your own real life.

There is a figure/ground Gestaltian situation in America. Removed from its ground, the figure makes no sense. Take the American out of the USA into a sweat shop in Mexico or into some village in the Czech Republic and all meaning is lost.
 
America is superficial. Ive noticed more and more that people talk about emotions the way they are presented by advertising. The way advertising always uses like existential slogans now like "life is an adventure. we'll help you pack." Its like life and love in America are these phony slogans people have learned from TV, ads, church, or elsewhere, and none of them have to deal with your own real life.

There is a figure/ground Gestaltian situation in America. Removed from its ground, the figure makes no sense. Take the American out of the USA into a sweat shop in Mexico or into some village in the Czech Republic and all meaning is lost.

Have you ever been to the USA?
 
Have you ever been to the USA?

I grew up here. I also lived overseas. So I can see how the USA seems to foriegners. I lived in squats in Europe, but I am an American. So I have a sort of outside view even though I am from here. I lived in this building illegally for a year. I think I lost some American identity there.

 
Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe.

Sure the United States is home to a great deal of violence, but it is also the home to a great deal of love.

Honestly, I'd say that the United States is simply home to a great deal of human emotions in either direction. Part of the ethos in the U.S. is that people should be ultimately free to express themselves and I'd say that what we see is a distillation of human emotions on a very large scale.

In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning.

Being that love and violence are not mutually exclusive, I'd argue that love might have even more meaning in a society where people are equally enabled/ prompted to act violently as they are to act lovingly.

If everyone is free to choose and many still choose love, I believe that is stronger proof that love [as tangible human emotion] exists.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?

No, I think that love is just a condition of being human, much the same as the inclination to perform violent acts. Honestly, love and violence are often closely tied together and no, not in some type of lie.
 
America is superficial. Ive noticed more and more that people talk about emotions the way they are presented by advertising. The way advertising always uses like existential slogans now like "life is an adventure. we'll help you pack." Its like life and love in America are these phony slogans people have learned from TV, ads, church, or elsewhere, and none of them have to deal with your own real life.

Thats a great observation, and as technology makes it easier to push these consumption promoting slogans into our lives I'm sure we'll see more superficiality.

However, I do think that most people harbor some level of superficiality. It's human nature to put on a show for those around you, even if you don't actually believe in what you are doing.

I'd just argue that Americans are more honest about their superficiality, think of Las Vegas as the pinnacle of American culture. It's a completely superficial city, created out of human want, but in this I've found it to be just about the most honest city in the world.


There is a figure/ground Gestaltian situation in America. Removed from its ground, the figure makes no sense. Take the American out of the USA into a sweat shop in Mexico or into some village in the Czech Republic and all meaning is lost.

That is also a great observation, and I agree.

Although I do fancy wandering around small villages in the Czech Republic, I have watched a lot of Americans deal with similar situations and its true. To counter this point though, many people from around the world have trouble making sense of life in America, because it's not really for everyone.

Maybe we could look at it like a fish out of water, and a cat in water. A fish having trouble out of water isn't a problem with the fish any more than a cat having trouble in the water is a problem with the cat.
 
Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe. In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning. Only a flippant idiot would believe love an effectual ultimatum for Americans. All forms of tolerance only end with the most ruthless greed in control of the government and society.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?

So, you are going to ask for opinions immediately after calling people who disagree with you "flippant idiots?" Let me know how that tactic works for you, sport. :lol:
 
Sure the United States is home to a great deal of violence, but it is also the home to a great deal of love.

Honestly, I'd say that the United States is simply home to a great deal of human emotions in either direction. Part of the ethos in the U.S. is that people should be ultimately free to express themselves and I'd say that what we see is a distillation of human emotions on a very large scale.



Being that love and violence are not mutually exclusive, I'd argue that love might have even more meaning in a society where people are equally enabled/ prompted to act violently as they are to act lovingly.

If everyone is free to choose and many still choose love, I believe that is stronger proof that love [as tangible human emotion] exists.



No, I think that love is just a condition of being human, much the same as the inclination to perform violent acts. Honestly, love and violence are often closely tied together and no, not in some type of lie.

To me it seems always entertwined, love, crime, religion, violence. Most gang members who have killed other people started out as religious nuts and maintain firm connections to the diety, so that you would think believing in God could turn you into a gang member.

I really am tired of the macro-socio-political tolerance that leads to ineffectuality. The liberal tolerance of religion and the right wing for instance strikes me as one of the weaknesses that lead them to be politically ineffectual and how the Republicans always have so much power. They are simply too wish-washy and globally tolerant. I dont care to feel ineffectual. I hate the USA and since a very young age have wished I wasnt American. It was my dream since boyhood to be from another land than this one. Always watching foriegn movies. Then I went overseas to Europe and Asia.

I once walked backwards one night symbolically toward the ellis island building in battery park to say I wanted to reverse the immigration, I am going in reverse back to ellis island, back ni time, back across the water. I do not want to be an American anymore. Better to be born in New Zealand. Some people are doomed to live here. I am doomed to this land.
 
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To me it seems always entertwined, love, crime, religion, violence. Most gang members who have killed other people started out as religious nuts and maintain firm connections to the diety, so that you would think believing in God could turn you into a gang member.

That's very true, and I'm sure it'd be impossible to completely isolate religion, violence or any other human concept.

I'd also have to agree that most gang members or otherwise violent people start out [and possibly remain] religious. The problem with using that as an argument, however, is that most people are religious. Mathematically, I'd guarantee that there are more non-violent religious people than violent religious people in America.

The same is true worldwide.


I really am tired of the macro-socio-political tolerance that leads to ineffectuality. The liberal tolerance of religion and the right wing for instance strikes me as one of the weaknesses that lead them to be politically ineffectual and how the Republicans always have so much power. They are simply too wish-washy and globally tolerant. I dont care to feel ineffectual. I hate the USA and since a very young age have wished I wasnt American. It was my dream since boyhood to be from another land than this one. Always watching foriegn movies. Then I went overseas to Europe and Asia.

I once walked backwards one night symbolically toward the ellis island building in battery park to say I wanted to reverse the immigration, I am going in reverse back to ellis island, back ni time, back across the water. I do not want to be an American anymore. Better to be born in New Zealand. Some people are doomed to live here. I am doomed to this land.

Like I've said previously, the U.S. isn't for everyone.

For me, the more I've traveled the more I've become keen to call myself an American. Obviously its an imperfect system over here, but I think it does the most good for the most people. Maybe it's the wild west style of living, all violence and love considered, that makes me like this place. I'd also argue that the diversity is part of what brings about some of the perceived violence in the U. S., and where a place like New Zealand is relatively homogenous it's easy to see where it might be less violence. Although, I bet that the aboriginal people there might say it's not as nice as everyone else lets on though.

As far as the reverse immigration, I'm quite sure that's called expatriation, and it's a real thing.
 
That's very true, and I'm sure it'd be impossible to completely isolate religion, violence or any other human concept.

I'd also have to agree that most gang members or otherwise violent people start out [and possibly remain] religious. The problem with using that as an argument, however, is that most people are religious. Mathematically, I'd guarantee that there are more non-violent religious people than violent religious people in America.

The same is true worldwide.




Like I've said previously, the U.S. isn't for everyone.

For me, the more I've traveled the more I've become keen to call myself an American. Obviously its an imperfect system over here, but I think it does the most good for the most people. Maybe it's the wild west style of living, all violence and love considered, that makes me like this place. I'd also argue that the diversity is part of what brings about some of the perceived violence in the U. S., and where a place like New Zealand is relatively homogenous it's easy to see where it might be less violence. Although, I bet that the aboriginal people there might say it's not as nice as everyone else lets on though.

As far as the reverse immigration, I'm quite sure that's called expatriation, and it's a real thing.

I have not had much luck overseas. I lived in Istanbul for 9 months working for a art gallery place.

Les Arts Turcs - Lessons and Workshops, Online Shopping, Les Arts Turcs Cultural Center

They hired me seasonally. When winter comes they basically cant pay you. Tough land. I got sick of Europeans, basically they are white. I think New Zealand has a lot of diversity lately from Asia and also the Maori. It never really gets hot in New Zealand. Its Oceanic Climate or so, plus Mountains. And proximity to all the asian nations around there. Seems a good spot for a headquarters.

I feel like I am being psychically attacked in the USA almost continuously. I cant figure out where it comes from. Sometimes I think conservatives do it. Sometimes it seems more from the northeast, or just any lunatics in this land with combined psychic attack powers. It may come from foreigners. I want to rename the USA "Psychic Attack Land" or "PAL".
 
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I have not had much luck overseas. I lived in Istanbul for 9 months working for a art gallery place.

Les Arts Turcs - Lessons and Workshops, Online Shopping, Les Arts Turcs Cultural Center

Although it didn't last, that's great you went over to Istanbul and worked, definitely further than most people will ever go. Seems like a cool gallery too, but alas I've read about winters in Istanbul, primary reason I haven't been there yet. I only get to travel extensively during the winter right now, so Istanbul is kind of out by default.

They hired me seasonally. When winter comes they basically cant pay you. Tough land. I got sick of Europeans, basically they are white. I think New Zealand has a lot of diversity lately from Asia and also the Maori. It never really gets hot in New Zealand. Its Oceanic Climate or so, plus Mountains. And proximity to all the asian nations around there. Seems a good spot for a headquarters.

I feel like I am being psychically attacked in the USA almost continuously. I cant figure out where it comes from. Sometimes I think conservatives do it. Sometimes it seems more from the northeast, or just any lunatics in this land with combined psychic attack powers. It may come from foreigners. I want to rename the USA "Psychic Attack Land" or "PAL".

New Zealand seems like a pretty good place to be, I've met a lot of people from there who've always spoke highly of it. I have heard that treatment of the Maori
has been slightly problematic, but otherwise I haven't heard much else negative. Also, the climate there is supposed to be perfect, as you've said.

You're take on being attacked in the U.S. is interesting, and I agree that this place can be a bit overwhelming for sure. I think the rabid polarization might have something to do with it, because I've definitely noticed a change in the rhetoric over the past few years myself. Another issue might be the desperate search to monetize everything, leading to absurd amounts of advertisements, which correlates closely with the OP.

I think these things are cyclical though, similar to the now faded McCarthyism.
 
Although it didn't last, that's great you went over to Istanbul and worked, definitely further than most people will ever go. Seems like a cool gallery too, but alas I've read about winters in Istanbul, primary reason I haven't been there yet. I only get to travel extensively during the winter right now, so Istanbul is kind of out by default.



New Zealand seems like a pretty good place to be, I've met a lot of people from there who've always spoke highly of it. I have heard that treatment of the Maori
has been slightly problematic, but otherwise I haven't heard much else negative. Also, the climate there is supposed to be perfect, as you've said.

You're take on being attacked in the U.S. is interesting, and I agree that this place can be a bit overwhelming for sure. I think the rabid polarization might have something to do with it, because I've definitely noticed a change in the rhetoric over the past few years myself. Another issue might be the desperate search to monetize everything, leading to absurd amounts of advertisements, which correlates closely with the OP.

I think these things are cyclical though, similar to the now faded McCarthyism.

I dont really mind winter as long as it isnt the Maine winter where you dont have spring weather at all and it snows in April and May. I'm also a cyclist and cant cycle in that level of snow. But these people in Turkey rely on tourism economy for money, so winter months they have less money. Summer for them means money. They are also fairly homogenous like Japan. Their language is in the Japanese language family, Altaic. You can see the connection if you think about it.

I knew a guy from New Zealand. Of course they think Yanks are stupid, and maybe they are right.

I'm sure if you went to Turkey during the winter, they would greatly appreciate your business.
 
I dont really mind winter as long as it isnt the Maine winter where you dont have spring weather at all and it snows in April and May. I'm also a cyclist and cant cycle in that level of snow. But these people in Turkey rely on tourism economy for money, so winter months they have less money. Summer for them means money. They are also fairly homogenous like Japan. Their language is in the Japanese language family, Altaic. You can see the connection if you think about it.

That's pretty interesting about the languages, I'll have to look into that.

I knew a guy from New Zealand. Of course they think Yanks are stupid, and maybe they are right.

I'm sure if you went to Turkey during the winter, they would greatly appreciate your business.

It's true they might actually appreciate the business, but I've never really wanted to take a chance with the weather and/ or flight delays. I figure, at some point we'll be able to take a trip in the summer/ fall and then check out Turkey. For now, we're going to be in Split in a couple of weeks, and have a pretty extensive list to keep us busy each winter until we can take a trip during the spring/ fall.
 
That's pretty interesting about the languages, I'll have to look into that.



It's true they might actually appreciate the business, but I've never really wanted to take a chance with the weather and/ or flight delays. I figure, at some point we'll be able to take a trip in the summer/ fall and then check out Turkey. For now, we're going to be in Split in a couple of weeks, and have a pretty extensive list to keep us busy each winter until we can take a trip during the spring/ fall.

This film can give a feeling of how it is there in the winter and being poor.

Uzak (2002) - IMDb
 
Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe. In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning. Only a flippant idiot would believe love an effectual ultimatum for Americans. All forms of tolerance only end with the most ruthless greed in control of the government and society.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?

I think it's the vilolent love of money that promotes lies.
 
Many Americans talk about love. Atheists, Christians, Southerners, Northerners, Democrats, Republicans, all believe they have some sort of love. But this love may be the source of all hostility in the USA, because its patently superficial. The lies of American Love fly in the face of excessive violence, the ability of the USA to promote hatred across the globe. In fact, if we got rid of love, we might be more sane and down to earth, in this land of extreme homicide and gun violence, love has no meaning. Only a flippant idiot would believe love an effectual ultimatum for Americans. All forms of tolerance only end with the most ruthless greed in control of the government and society.

Do you think love is a lie used to promote violence?

I feel like you left out a lot of explaining. Not that I want you to explain it just link the book that you got this nonsense from.
 
I feel like you left out a lot of explaining. Not that I want you to explain it just link the book that you got this nonsense from.

My suspicion about love being fake in the USA comes from using the internet and observing how love, the word, is used continually in a Political situation. I think Americans have begun to use love and hate as concepts to either validate ot disqualify political ideas. In that case, if you can piss someone off and make them hate, then you are politically more powerful. To me this is childish and indicative of how dumb American politics are.

Everyone does it. Obama can stand up and project love onto an audience and they vote for him. Christians can run their mouths at you and piss you off, then say you hate and feel politically validated. I think the USA needs to grow up.
 
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