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The U.S. Govt. Must Abolish The Church or Wall Street: Which To Choose?

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OK, before anyone freaks out keep in mind this is "pretend time" or make believe world time ;). Given all that you know about our society if given the mandate the United States had to abolish religious worship or abolish the free market, which do you believe would have a more profound and longer lasting impact on America?
 
If you abolish the right for people to gather and worship, Americans will overthrow the government, and a lot of stuff gets screwed up. If you abolish Wall Street, our economic system collapses almost immediately, and then the government is overthrown, and a lot of stuff gets screwed up. Both are very bad.
 
Get rid of Wall Street, and with the Church we can rebuild a free and prosperous society.
 
OK, before anyone freaks out keep in mind this is "pretend time" or make believe world time ;). Given all that you know about our society if given the mandate the United States had to abolish religious worship or abolish the free market, which do you believe would have a more profound and longer lasting impact on America?

Getting rid of capitalism will have a more 'profound and lasting impact' by far. First of all, no free market, no freedom. You cannot be a free individual when your economic liberty doesnt exist. You would be nothing more than a communist serf. Second, abolishing religious worship does not abolish religion since, ultimately, belief in God is something that takes place in the conscience of the individual. It is within your own consciousness and private thoughts that God exists in the first place and is where any action upon which a God might judge you germinates.
 
Extreme choices are met with extreme results. Getting rid of either would have catastrophic effects. Gaining back control from forces that should not be driving them would be infinitely more helpful that purging either Wall Street or the Church.
 
Get rid of Wall Street, and with the Church we can rebuild a free and prosperous society.

Which Church would we use to rebuild society with?
 
I find it difficult to equate Wall Street with the free market.

But yeah, abolishing religion will result in IMMEDIATE revolution. And religious folk are some of the best armed.
 
Both are ultimately harmful but, yet, total abolition out the gate will be catastrophic as well. Using government to abolish religion would be extremely unconstitutional and would result in revolution. Abolishing Wall Street would result in economic collapse. I'd rather see an eventual dissolution of both organized religion and monopolized Wall Street banking, rather than outright abolition abolition.
 
Get rid of Wall Street, and with the Church we can rebuild a free and prosperous society.

Even in the middle ages they had the sense to reject theocracy for divine rule. A civil leader who is everywhere, absolute and eternal? No thanks.

I imagine this website would immediately flip flop from conservatives complaining about taxes, to liberals complaining about tithes. Different sides, same coin.

EDIT: Somehow equated that post to complete overthrowal of govt. My bad (unless that was its intention).
 
That didn't answer my question. Which house of religion are you referring to?

I think you are confused - the "church" is not a heirarchy. It is the body of believers.
 
Even in the middle ages they had the sense to reject theocracy for divine rule. A civil leader who is everywhere, absolute and eternal? No thanks.

I imagine this website would immediately flip flop from conservatives complaining about taxes, to liberals complaining about tithes. Different sides, same coin.

EDIT: Somehow equated that post to complete overthrowal of govt. My bad (unless that was its intention).

You are confusing the Founders' view of the necessary preconditions for a successful Republic with Theocracy.
 
Neither.

But if I have to choose...the Church in a millisecond.

Religion is, imo, humanity's dumbest major invention...by far.
 
In time, nature will do away with both, since both are completely divorced from what this planet and its inhabitants need for long term sustenance. The church gave us Dominion, and capitalism gave us the growth model. The two together have proved utterly devastating. History will understand this. We don't need to intentionally abolish anything, time and obvious consequence will do the trick. Populations are already wisely turning away from religion, but contrary to what material reductionists tell us, they are not disavowing spirituality as a whole. People are beginning to understand that the truth comes from personal seeking, not monolithic faiths.

The three Abrahamic faiths have to go. They're an ideological blight on humanity that's causing untold havoc and suffering, not to mention holding back immense potential progress. Hinduism to some extent is problematic, but not nearly as bad as the western religions.

Humanity needs material and spiritual awakening, and it's on the verge of having both. With our vast information systems, there's no way people will stay ignorant forever. Nature will snuff out the flaws in our systems and ideologies, and the information systems will educate us on why it happened.

For these reasons, I'm fairly optimistic.
 
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