Something for Christians to ponder

tosca1 · Oct 28, 2014

lifeisshort said:
I do and it is every bit as brutal as its main competitor, Christianity.

There is no competition since the two aren't even alike. They're practically opposites.

Major World Religions
populations pie chart statistics list

Christianity - 32.5%

Islam - 21.5%

And that probably don't include the thousands of Muslims (including some Imams) SECRETLY converting to Christianity.

tosca1 · Oct 28, 2014

zyzygy said:
Many Americans pay lip service to Christianity. I was under the impression that the USA is a multi-cultural country.

It's not for you to say Americans pay "lip service" to Christianity. You do not know.

And another thing you obviously do not know.....Being "under the impression" is never considered a fact. :lol:

Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90356

Reformedfindlay · Oct 28, 2014

recalcitrant said:
Yo yo yo! Karma's a muthafvckin' bitch yo! Pssss. Peace I'm outtie. Fvck christians yo Islam is coo' yo.

Talk about a blatant disregard for the rules DP has set up.

lifeisshort said:
I'm not defending the radicle Islamist or Alquiada or ISIS but before you Christians get to distressed about this evil in the world you may want to reflect on your own religions very recent history. You get bent out of shape because these Islam nuts demand you join their religion or die. They call you infidels and say killing you is fine and you are abhorred by this. If however you look back a couple of generations you see Christians did the same exact thing. You called native Americans "godless heathens" and killed them at will for their land. Then you tore babies from their mothers arms and took them off to be educated in your ways and learn your religion. You are now getting a tiny taste of what you did to others and are squealing like stuck pigs about it. Karma's a bitch huh.

Shiite Islam ever since the first few caliphs (right after Muhammad's death over a millenia ago) has pledged Jihad against all those who do not conform to Islam. Sunnis are chiming in now with ISIS. It's just Islam being Islam.

Logicman · Oct 28, 2014

29A said:
Scary, lol.

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

1 John 3:15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

You can read and write but you do not understand the scriptures.

For example, in Luke 14:26 the actual meaning is not "hate," but "love less." Jesus is using hyperbole, and the meaning of the passage is that you should not love your family members more than God.

Glad to help you out!

DDD · Oct 28, 2014

tosca1 said:
FYI, thousands of Muslims are converting to Christianity.

This advertisement is used from Islam also. I hear regularly that thousand of Christians are converted to Islam everyday. :roll:

DDD · Oct 28, 2014

Logicman said:
It will be for the Christian bashers at the Judgment.

Like who for instance?

DDD · Oct 28, 2014

Logicman said:
If Christ was not resurrected then show me. Otherwise get your asbestos afterlife suit ready.

First show that Christ was resurrected and did not just had his body removed?

How much for an asbestos?

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

tosca1 said:
Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians.

Poll: Most Americans Say They're Christian - ABC News

Actions count, not words. I know somebody who lives in Alabama and has to pretend to be a Christian in order to avoid castigation and rejection by the local community. She's already been forced to move once because the local loving god botherers discovered that her two children were born out of wedlock. Charming people in the bible belt. There must be others like her. I wouldn't set too much store by that eighty three percent.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

DDD said:
First show that Christ was resurrected and did not just had his body removed?

How much for an asbestos?

No asbestos in hell nowadays, it's a health and safety issue.

WCH · Oct 28, 2014

lifeisshort said:
Christians alive today may have the moral high ground but the Christian faith has done far worse than these Islamist have done so far. They do need to be stopped though before they grow in power, on that I agree.

Islam has been violent (and against all other forms of religion) since is inception. The Crusades were a direct result of this violence.

The real violent History of Islam

WCH · Oct 28, 2014

lifeisshort said:
Right, the son pays the price for the fathers sin. A good example of this is how black decedents of the sin of slavery now fill American prisons and riot in the streets.

You need to read that again. It's says the son will NOT suffer because of his father's sin.

And you can pretty much blame the Democrat party for keeping the Blacks down.

WCH · Oct 28, 2014

zyzygy said:
That is recent. The USA seems have got along without god until 1957

"IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on paper money in 1957 with the arrival of the one-dollar silver certificate. The addition of the motto to all paper currency occurred when the Bureau of Engraving and Printing converted to the dry intaglio printing processes. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed a law that officially declared that IN GOD WE TRUST was the nation’s motto, two years after he had also pushed to have the phrase “under God” inserted into the pledge of allegiance."

thelibertarianrepublic.com/say-god-trust-american-money/#.VE-kDflciSo

I would say 1957 was about the time God was getting thrown under the bus in this country. (actually just a few years later did the trick)

What Happened When The Praying Stopped?

29A · Oct 28, 2014

Logicman said:
You can read and write but you do not understand the scriptures.

For example, in Luke 14:26 the actual meaning is not "hate," but "love less." Jesus is using hyperbole, and the meaning of the passage is that you should not love your family members more than God.

Glad to help you out!

Yes, and what are your qualifications? Because in essence, you're claiming to have more linguistic knowledge than the translators for some 18 Bible versions, which translate the Greek word as "hate", and not "love less".
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

WCH said:
I would say 1957 was about the time God was getting thrown under the bus in this country. (actually just a few years later did the trick)

What Happened When The Praying Stopped?

The point is that America was never officially a Christian country.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

lifeisshort · Oct 28, 2014

WCH said:
You need to read that again. It's says the son will NOT suffer because of his father's sin.

And you can pretty much blame the Democrat party for keeping the Blacks down.

I think you are right here, that was the old testament not the new covenant.

lifeisshort · Oct 28, 2014

WCH said:
Islam has been violent (and against all other forms of religion) since is inception. The Crusades were a direct result of this violence.

The real violent History of Islam

Crusades schmucades,what about the conquistadores in our own country just a few hundred years ago and entire villages massacred by the Americans 150 years ago.

tosca1 · Oct 28, 2014

zyzygy said:
Actions count, not words.

You can't know what people's real motives are. You don't know what's in their hearts or in their minds. They could just as easily be telling you bs.

I know somebody who lives in Alabama and has to pretend to be a Christian in order to avoid castigation and rejection by the local community.

You can't base your conclusion on a few anecdotal incidents.

She's already been forced to move once because the local loving god botherers discovered that her two children were born out of wedlock. Charming people in the bible belt.

That would be like me saying all Atheist Darwinists are like this:

James Lee, Atheist Terrorist (Discovery Channel Hostage-Taker)
James Lee took hostages at the Maryland headquarters of the Discovery Channel, made some demands, and was shot dead by police. He was also a human trafficker. According to his MySpace page, he was also an atheist. Some theists have been happy to draw a connection from his atheism and his “Darwinism” to his terrorist act.

James Lee, Atheist Terrorist (Discovery Channel Hostage-Taker)

"There must be others like her.

That would be like me concluding that, "there must be others like him."

I wouldn't set too much store by that eighty three percent.

Funny, that's similar analogy to another reason why intellectuals laugh at atheists. :lol:

Let me add to that thread....

lifeisshort · Oct 28, 2014

My real point in this thread is that I roll my eyes when I hear Christians expressing shock and horror at ISIS coming into villages and slaughtering any Christian or anyone who won't convert to Islam. It just wasn't that long ago that Christians did worse. They rode into villages with a well armed cavalry and systematically slaughtered every man woman and child so spare me your righteous indignation.

WCH · Oct 28, 2014

lifeisshort said:
Crusades schmucades,what about the conquistadores in our own country just a few hundred years ago and entire villages massacred by the Americans 150 years ago.

They conquered the new world. Christianity or not.

If the Muslims could have gotten here , they would and will do the same.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

tosca1 said:
You can't know what people's real motives are. You don't know what's in their hearts or in their minds. They could just as easily be telling you bs.

Including you.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

WCH said:
They conquered the new world. Christianity or not.

If the Muslims could have gotten here , they would and will do the same.

Correct. That is why the world would be a better place without the primitive superstition of religion.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

lifeisshort said:
My real point in this thread is that I roll my eyes when I hear Christians expressing shock and horror at ISIS coming into villages and slaughtering any Christian or anyone who won't convert to Islam. It just wasn't that long ago that Christians did worse. They rode into villages with a well armed cavalry and systematically slaughtered every man woman and child so spare me your righteous indignation.

The doublethink and mental gymnastics that believers display never ceases to amaze me.

tosca1 · Oct 28, 2014

zyzygy said:
Including you.

Irrelevant.

You're the one who's making all conclusions simply based on assumptions.

T Y P I C A L.

zyzygy · Oct 28, 2014

tosca1 said:
Irrelevant.

You're the one who's making all conclusions simply based on assumptions.

T Y P I C A L.

The idea that all intellectuals laugh at atheists is one huge assumption.

tosca1 · Oct 28, 2014

29A said:
Yes, and what are your qualifications? Because in essence, you're claiming to have more linguistic knowledge than the translators for some 18 Bible versions, which translate the Greek word as "hate", and not "love less".
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

It doesn't mean that you should LITERALLY hate those mentioned.

Translation for that verse is: You should love God above all else!

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