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Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke

Jango said:
Well, I don't know if there is a God or not, but I do know that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. And while our body eventually falls to the ground lifeless, the energy within us, our consciousness I.e. our soul, by our understanding of physics, is transferred elsewhere.
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This is also very much a part of my belief system, and is my preceived form of Heaven
 
Jango said:
Well, I don't know if there is a God or not, but I do know that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. And while our body eventually falls to the ground lifeless, the energy within us, our consciousness I.e. our soul, by our understanding of physics, is transferred elsewhere. Whether or not it is religious in nature is, for all intents and purposes, unknown at this time. But I suspect that advancements in math and science will eventually prove or disprove the notion of an actual God as envisioned by billions of people.
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You do not understand the difference between energy and information.

These are separate ideas.

The ordered information which is your personality and memories disappears when your brain loses it's order. It's like it was before you were born.
 
Tim the plumber said:
You do not understand the difference between energy and information.

These are separate ideas.

The ordered information which is your personality and memories disappears when your brain loses it's order. It's like it was before you were born.
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What "ARE " you talking about? Are you suggesting that when the person dies, his mentality automatically dies too?
 
doniston said:
What "ARE " you talking about? Are you suggesting that when the person dies, his mentality automatically dies too?
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That usually happens when a person dies.
 
joG said:
I can see that you are disturbed.
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Yes, the world is disturbing.

But that does not give government the right to interfere with the reasons for which a citizen strives politically. Why should that citizen not want laws that he considers ethical? That is what you are doing.
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I strive for laws which are just, ethical would only be secondary. For instance, is it ethical to let those below the poverty line starve now; on the other hand is it just for the government to spend money now, and place that debt burden on future citizens?
 
29A said:
Yes, the world is disturbing.

I strive for laws which are just, ethical would only be secondary. For instance, is it ethical to let those below the poverty line starve now; on the other hand is it just for the government to spend money now, and place that debt burden on future citizens?
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Well we all have our own set of priorities. Mine would be that based on a small number of primary rules political action should be rationally developped. One of the rules is that every individual can bring what they consider right to the political table even, if I hate it.
 
Originally Posted by Jango View Post

Well, I don't know if there is a God or not, but I do know that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
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Think of the first law of thermodynamics, which states:

the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant.


Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


If it can be proven that matter or energy was coming into being from nothing, then that Biblical statement of
a finished creation would be falsified. The opposite is true. It has been precisely verified.

Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures
 
tosca1 said:
Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures
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From the Institute of Creation Research! Try harder.

"There is certainly no doubt, then, that modern scientific research has verified the truths expressed in Psalm 102:26. Many years of careful measurements by scientists, repeated many thousands of times, established beyond doubt the scientific truths expressed in that verse of Scripture."

Too funny for words.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
 
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zyzygy said:
From the Institute of Creation Research! Try harder.

"There is certainly no doubt, then, that modern scientific research has verified the truths expressed in Psalm 102:26. Many years of careful measurements by scientists, repeated many thousands of times, established beyond doubt the scientific truths expressed in that verse of Scripture."

Too funny for words.
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American
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Irrelevant. Pathetic attempt at deflection.

You're like someone wielding a fly swatter - swatting at a harmless moth on a leaf - yet you can't aim straight at the biggest mosquito that sucks on your forehead! :mrgreen:

Deal with the actual issue given.
 
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zyzygy said:
From the Institute of Creation Research! Try harder.

"There is certainly no doubt, then, that modern scientific research has verified the truths expressed in Psalm 102:26. Many years of careful measurements by scientists, repeated many thousands of times, established beyond doubt the scientific truths expressed in that verse of Scripture."

Too funny for words.


15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American
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It always confused me this, what kind of 'faith' needs vindication from a heresy like Science?

In his latter years the biggest contribution Herr Gish made to the field of Biology was donating his body to the worms. He basically prostituted his formal education and potential for real scientific research to the ICR for cash. Still the ICR research arm has yet to publish a single novel paper of any scientific merit, they get paid to trawl other peoples work like leaches looking for holes and quotemines to exploit for cash.

Both he and Herr Gish down at the Reich of Creation Studies have form. Morris never retracted his claim that 'Neroes' were suited to mundane tasks and both linked themselves to Islamic Creationists including Holocaust denier Adnan Oktar.

You may have guessed but, if I am impatient with their victims, I have no patience whatsoever for the snake oil sellers.
 
tosca1 said:
Irrelevant. Pathetic attempt at deflection.

You're like someone wielding a fly swatter - swatting at a harmless moth on a leaf - yet you can't aim straight at the biggest mosquito that sucks on your forehead! :mrgreen:

Deal with the actual issue given.
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You shoot, you miss. You couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo to make a scientific point.
 
tosca1 said:
Irrelevant. Pathetic attempt at deflection.

You're like someone wielding a fly swatter - swatting at a harmless moth on a leaf - yet you can't aim straight at the biggest mosquito that sucks on your forehead! :mrgreen:

Deal with the actual issue given.
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I'm not surprised that you ignore science and the real world. The first law of thermodynamics exists therefore god? The article that you linked to was nonsense from start to finish. I can understand why you do want to address that.
 
tosca1 said:
Think of the first law of thermodynamics, which states:

the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant.


Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


If it can be proven that matter or energy was coming into being from nothing, then that Biblical statement of
a finished creation would be falsified. The opposite is true. It has been precisely verified.

Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures
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All it says is that Energy is a conserved quantity.

How that Energy is conserved is a basic balance sheet.

No woo required to understand that, unless I am missing something?
 
William Rea said:
All it says is that Energy is a conserved quantity.

How that Energy is conserved is a basic balance sheet.

No woo required to understand that, unless I am missing something?
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Yes, why would a sky daddy need to be involved?
 
doniston said:
What "ARE " you talking about? Are you suggesting that when the person dies, his mentality automatically dies too?
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Yes.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary that is what happens because it is obvious that it does.
 
Tim the plumber said:

Yes.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary that is what happens because it is obvious that it does.
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`Are you a Christian, ? D o you beleieve that the persons soul goes to heaven when a peson dies? do you have proof that it does?
 
doniston said:
`Are you a Christian, ? D o you beleieve that the persons soul goes to heaven when a peson dies? do you have proof that it does?
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I am an atheist.

I demand evidence (not proof) from you to suggest that there is such a thing as a soul. If you do not provide such I will continue to assume that any talk of such a thing is drivel.
 
Tim the plumber said:

I am an atheist.

I demand evidence (not proof) from you to suggest that there is such a thing as a soul. If you do not provide such I will continue to assume that any talk of such a thing is drivel.
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i did not know you were an athiest, and ( still don't do you have any proof that you are??? then I must consider it as drivel. "RIGHT?" and you can demand all you want, it is my opinion and it has been proven to me to my satisfaction

.As for me, I am also a member of Atheist Forums - A Place to Chat, Learn & Discuss Atheism & Religion and I post there also
 
A big hello from one atheist that the scientists overlooked.
 
tosca1 said:
Think of the first law of thermodynamics, which states:

the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant.


Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


If it can be proven that matter or energy was coming into being from nothing, then that Biblical statement of
a finished creation would be falsified. The opposite is true. It has been precisely verified.

Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures
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This is like saying that someone who said way back in the past "one day, man will view Earth from the heavens above", thousands of years ago, was a prophet or God Himself come to Earth due to making such a prediction of us going into space, eventhough that very likely isn't what the person who said it was even thinking of or implying.
 
roguenuke said:
This is like saying that someone who said way back in the past "one day, man will view Earth from the heavens above", thousands of years ago, was a prophet or God Himself come to Earth due to making such a prediction of us going into space,
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Not quite the same. To predict thousands of years ago that man will view from heaven above, isn't as inconceivable as predicting about something called "matter" or "energy" coming from nothing. After all, they told of the tower of Babel, didn't they?

Consider the quote that I'd responded to.
 
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tosca1 said:
Not quite the same. To predict thousands of years ago that man will view from heaven above, isn't as inconceivable as predicting about something called "matter" or "energy" coming from nothing. After all, they told of the tower of Babel, didn't they?

Consider the quote that I'd responded to.
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I am. You are trying to read something into it that matches what you wish to believe. You don't know what the person who wrote that passage in Psalms was talking about at all. He may not have known at all what he was talking about. You are assuming it means that they knew about matter and energy being neither created nor destroyed, but have no actual evidence of this.
 
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