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29A

29A

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Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.


John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”


Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
 
29A said:
Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
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8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
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Isaiah-
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 6&version=NIV
 
29A said:
Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.

John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”

Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
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It is because there are extremely powerful messages given in the Bible and given by Jesus and if such things are given to evil hateful people then they will use the power for their evil purposes.

Any person can find and learn the truths but first each person simply must repent and turn away from the evils and THEN we can see and learn it all.

The vast majority of mankind simply refuse to see, and it is because they want the power to do their evils and their hatreds.
 
JP Cusick said:
It is because there are extremely powerful messages given in the Bible and given by Jesus...
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Yet, those "powerful messages" are so ambiguous, that within the Christian religion there are some 41k sects, each with their own interpretation.
 
29A said:
True, Jesus' statement wasn't the first time the thought was presented, Biblically.
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I think some context would clarify the thought. To interpret it as Jesus not wanting people to be forgiven is clearly in err.
 
29A said:
Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.


John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”


Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
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Perhaps the best way for a child to learn is to never give outright the answer to a lesson, rather lead with clues but leave the meat of the work to be completed by the children. With this always the best way to learn, it's only half my opinion to your question.
 
Jesus spoke in parables for his disciples, and those that are not his wont understand them.
 
I know this makes some people angry, but Jesus didn't come to save the world. He came to save his own which was given to him from the father.
 
29A said:
Yet, those "powerful messages" are so ambiguous, that within the Christian religion there are some 41k sects, each with their own interpretation.
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The "powerful messages" are only ambiguous or confusing to those who have eyes which fail to see, and ears that fail to hear, and a heart which fails to understand.

They are designed to be ambiguous and confusing to keep out the dogs and the swine who would use the info for evil.

I do not support the many Christian Churches or organized religion as those are traps for the misguided and the insincere people, so they still do get a little superficial part of the great power and a little goes a long way.

This is explained in far more details in the Hindu book called the "Bhagavadgita" and that has even been called "The dark wisdom of the Sanskrit" which it is, but it explains that it is only "dark" to those who are not enlightened, while to those who are enlightened it is bright and clear as like the light of daytime.
 
JP Cusick said:
The "powerful messages" are only ambiguous or confusing to those who have eyes which fail to see, and ears that fail to hear, and a heart which fails to understand.

They are designed to be ambiguous and confusing to keep out the dogs and the swine who would use the info for evil.

I do not support the many Christian Churches or organized religion as those are traps for the misguided and the insincere people, so they still do get a little superficial part of the great power and a little goes a long way.

This is explained in far more details in the Hindu book called the "Bhagavadgita" and that has even been called "The dark wisdom of the Sanskrit" which it is, but it explains that it is only "dark" to those who are not enlightened, while to those who are enlightened it is bright and clear as like the light of daytime.
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It must be wonderful to be so superior. We are not worthy!
 
JP Cusick said:
The "powerful messages" are only ambiguous or confusing to those who have eyes which fail to see, and ears that fail to hear, and a heart which fails to understand.
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I do not support the many Christian Churches or organized religion as those are traps for the misguided and the insincere people, so they still do get a little superficial part of the great power and a little goes a long way.
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I had to re-order your quote because of how you answered my statement. But what I'm gleaning from this is that you are a denomination/congregation of one.

They are designed to be ambiguous and confusing to keep out the dogs and the swine who would use the info for evil.
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and if such things are given to evil hateful people then they will use the power for their evil purposes.

Any person can find and learn the truths but first each person simply must repent and turn away from the evils and THEN we can see and learn it all.

The vast majority of mankind simply refuse to see, and it is because they want the power to do their evils and their hatreds.
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I include part from your original post, because it seems to be thematic and to ask you this question.

If Good were really that good and none of creation was able to recognize it, or accept it, doesn't that indicate there is a manufacturer defect?

In the real world, we hold manufacturers liable for product defects, and manufacturers are finite and fallible.

In the spirit world, God is infallible and infinite.

This is explained in far more details in the Hindu book called the "Bhagavadgita" and that has even been called "The dark wisdom of the Sanskrit" which it is, but it explains that it is only "dark" to those who are not enlightened, while to those who are enlightened it is bright and clear as like the light of daytime.
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That is interesting. Most Christians assert Jesus is God, yet in order to clarify you reference the Bhagavadgita.
 
zyzygy said:
It must be wonderful to be so superior. We are not worthy!
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If and/or when you drop down in Hell, it will be your own fault for rejecting Christ and his salvation. You've been shown the evidence. So don't try to give us the snotty jive you just belched out above.
 
zyzygy said:
It must be wonderful to be so superior. We are not worthy!
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You could be worthy if you could get off of your self-righteous platform, but I do know that is hard for every person to do.

I do not like the word "superior" but I guess it can still apply, that when I have better info then that does give me a superior position then those who have defective info or inferior knowledge.

It is forever offered to you and to everyone and yet only a few will even try.


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29A said:
I had to re-order your quote because of how you answered my statement. But what I'm gleaning from this is that you are a denomination/congregation of one.
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I do not belong to any group or denomination or congregation and that is my reality.

Many times I have tried to join groups and attended many Churches and religions but I never fit in, and of course none of them have ever lived up to me.

This is a sad reality for me, and I really do wish that I could find a religious home some day.

29A said:
If Good were really that good and none of creation was able to recognize it, or accept it, doesn't that indicate there is a manufacturer defect?
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That makes sense, and it is a dilemma based on a defect.

The problem for us is that we are the defects, humanity is defective.

That was the point of Jesus coming to earth and being Himself as the perfect one, as Jesus surmounted that defect.

29A said:
In the real world, we hold manufacturers liable for product defects, and manufacturers are finite and fallible.
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That is true too, in that God (the Creator) is responsible and it is God who must repair the defect or absorb the loss.

29A said:
In the spirit world, God is infallible and infinite.
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Lots of people say that, but the Bible tells otherwise, as the Bible tells that God is fallible (not infallible) and nowhere is God described as infinite.

A lot of religious claims are just things which people want to believe, and the real thing that we incorrectly refer to as "God" is far more complex and interesting then what the religions tell us.

29A said:
That is interesting. Most Christians assert Jesus is God, yet in order to clarify you reference the Bhagavadgita.
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Most Christians are just wrong or misguided, but being wrong does not make them as damned to Hell or any such junk as that.

If one really wants to find the truth (find God) then we must look everywhere and we have to dump all of the preconceived notions or doctrines.

That Bhagavadgita actually tells about the garden of Eden (not that name but still that garden) and it tells about the poisoned fruit of the knowledge of good and bad, and it tell very much more too.

I like all religions and philosophies, but I do not belong to any of them.
 
JP Cusick said:
I like all religions and philosophies, but I do not belong to any of them.
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I, too, have read, studied varied religions/philosophies. Nearly every religion contains good ideas; philosophy depressed me a bit, as I found some of it to be rather circular. I consider religion and philosophy to be tools that one may pick up or set down, depending on their usefulness in a given situation.
 
I do not see it as a defect, but rather that knowledge or gnosis of spiritual things that are esoteric in nature cannot be immediately conveyed through words. Words fail. The use of parables invites the learner to contemplate a deeper meaning which can only be realized over a longer period of time. Sometimes, only by living. So rather than 'defect' I prefer to look at it as something that must be cultivated from raw material. Or to put in another way,

“A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."

Whoever has ears, let them hear.
 
Logicman said:
If and/or when you drop down in Hell, it will be your own fault for rejecting Christ and his salvation. You've been shown the evidence. So don't try to give us the snotty jive you just belched out above.
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Drop down? Hell is under the Earth's crust? I haven't rejected Christ in the same way that I haven't rejected Gandalf.
 
29A said:
Jesus: I am the light of the world; no one with a light would hide it; I hide my meaning in parables.


John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Luke 8:16 “No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light.”


Mark 4:11-12 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! "

Now, tell me, by what standards is it a god-like quality to hide the truth?
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What 'truth' are you referring to?
 
29A said:
Jesus' claim in John 14:6. Truth - the supreme reality, the ultimate meaning and value of existence.
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And what would that be? Let's see if you can make it any vaguer.
 
zyzygy said:
And what would that be? Let's see if you can make it any vaguer.
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I, at least, gave a definition, it was Jesus who made the vague and extraordinary claim.
 
29A said:
I, at least, gave a definition, it was Jesus who made the vague and extraordinary claim.
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So he didn't know what it was either. If you don't know what it is then how do you know it exists?
 
29A said:
I, too, have read, studied varied religions/philosophies. Nearly every religion contains good ideas; philosophy depressed me a bit, as I found some of it to be rather circular. I consider religion and philosophy to be tools that one may pick up or set down, depending on their usefulness in a given situation.
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I say that is missing the way as told in the posting I quote here below:

A person has simply got to do the action, put the concepts and principles into action, and the hard part is that we must be sincere.

We can not get the message simply by thought and reasoning or calculating or understanding, as they require being put to use.

I really find that to use it and sit it down means that we never really had it in the first place.

For myself I have had lots of failures and I sat down what I thought was right as they failed me, but the few things that I found to be correct are things that I would never ever sit down as they are an internalized part of my being now.

As in example = Learning not to lie (which many people fail to learn) and after finding out the strength of honesty and the weakness of lies then it would be insane to sit that back down.

See quote from "Manny" below: :attn1:

Manny said:
I do not see it as a defect, but rather that knowledge or gnosis of spiritual things that are esoteric in nature cannot be immediately conveyed through words. Words fail. The use of parables invites the learner to contemplate a deeper meaning which can only be realized over a longer period of time. Sometimes, only by living. So rather than 'defect' I prefer to look at it as something that must be cultivated from raw material. Or to put in another way,

“A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."

Whoever has ears, let them hear.
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It is true that calling it as a "defect" is not the best terminology, but I find the English language to be very inadequate concerning the relevance to God or Godly subjects.

The "defect" could easily be called "the original sin" or such as that, but the words "original sin" have wrong meaning attached to it, so humans having a "defect" seems more accurate to me.
 
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