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What in the World

csbrown28 said:
Ironically, I suspect that traditions an values based on cultural ideals rather than empirical evidence have been exploited. Combine that with the speed of information and BAM you have the perception of a world that is increasingly violent, when in fact it is quite the opposite.

I for one think the religious element in the Middle East is being exploited by people who don't believe in God but finding "purpose" in the manipulation of others and the chance to harm others with impunity.
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Definitely, people use religion and other emotional zeal to encourage others to act on their personal behalf. Though part of the problem I'm sensing comes from a world that is so interconnected.
 
Godly wisdom? Soul?


LOL, no, guys.


What we, as a culture, as a generation of people, lack....is purpose.

Always before, there was a cause greater than ourselves to devote ourselves to. A depression, a great war, a cold war, an arms race, etc. Duty. While they aren't the same, duty often leads to purpose. A sudden lack of purpose is why soldiers have such a hard time aclimating to civilian life. A lack of purpose is why video games are so popular, and growing ever more so. A lack of purpose is why we have so many more college grads with useless degrees. A lack of purpose is why we have kids posting vids on the net of stupid stunts.

Without purpose, what the hell are we doing here?

We have found ourselves in a position to try to create our own purpose, because there is no great collective one thrust on us. Not yet, anyway. I really thought the OWS movement was gonna be our moment, our chance to find collective purpose in wrestling control of our government back from corporations. But no, that movement ( as if ti WAS a movement, lol) was hijacked by communists before it ever really began.
 
grip said:
Definitely, people use religion and other emotional zeal to encourage others to act on their personal behalf. Though part of the problem I'm sensing comes from a world that is so interconnected.
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Interconnection is a beautiful thing. It's not a problem, WE are. Self acceptance solves issues with being more intimately connected to those around us. And it's only through that interconnection that as a species, we'll ever find true peace.
 
Logicman said:
And back in his day America was much more of a Christian/Bible centered nation.
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And yet there was more violence then, then there is now. Stunning admission by LM. As the Christian/Bible centric nature of the US has decreased, so has violence.

Atheism 4 teh win!
 
KevinKohler said:
Godly wisdom? Soul?


LOL, no, guys.


What we, as a culture, as a generation of people, lack....is purpose.

Always before, there was a cause greater than ourselves to devote ourselves to. A depression, a great war, a cold war, an arms race, etc. Duty. While they aren't the same, duty often leads to purpose. A sudden lack of purpose is why soldiers have such a hard time aclimating to civilian life. A lack of purpose is why video games are so popular, and growing ever more so. A lack of purpose is why we have so many more college grads with useless degrees. A lack of purpose is why we have kids posting vids on the net of stupid stunts.

Without purpose, what the hell are we doing here?

We have found ourselves in a position to try to create our own purpose, because there is no great collective one thrust on us. Not yet, anyway. I really thought the OWS movement was gonna be our moment, our chance to find collective purpose in wrestling control of our government back from corporations. But no, that movement ( as if ti WAS a movement, lol) was hijacked by communists before it ever really began.
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I think I might attribute a different cause, or at least a major contributing factor.

The stratification of society and the imbalance of fiscal resources to fewer and fewer people.

This is why I support civil service If everyone is required to participate in some kind of civil service, people from all walks of life mingle. They are human to one another, not just a meme on evening TV.
 
grip said:
Does the world seem more lost than ever or is has it always been just "chicken soup"?

I don't know if it's caused by a lack of traditions, values, core beliefs, direction, goals or purpose but people seem to be unsure of what's important?

Obviously, we all want to live as comfortable as possible and attempt to attain that position, but isn't there suppose to be something more?


This place of torturing, terrorizing, cutting off heads and blowing people up isn't the world I remember. Or was I sheltered from it and just starting to see it for what it's always been? Between looney idealism and excessive greed, I feel like I've fallen in the rabbit hole.
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I think the world being able to communicate instantaneously is causing news to circulate more and people who were isolated now gets to see what actually goes on in the world. People have been committing atrocities in spite of and in the name of religion ever since humans showed up on this planet.
 
csbrown28 said:
And yet there was more violence then, then there is now. Stunning admission by LM. As the Christian/Bible centric nature of the US has decreased, so has violence.

Atheism 4 teh win!
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Back then you had the American Revolution, which was a fight against evil.

The problem with liberals and many atheists is, because they are Biblically illiterate, they don't recognize evil - i.e. the evil that is permeating America, and so they don't stand to fight against it. So your thesis fails on that point.
 
First, Nice try, just come to grips with the fact that you just stuck your biblical foot in your prech'in mouth. It's ok, I forgive you, but you have some splan'in to do to the man upstairs....LOL

Logicman said:
Back then you had the American Revolution, which was a fight against evil.
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If LM was Muslim we'd all be calling him a terrorist, but because he's Christian it slips right below most peoples radar..... Evil....WTF?

Logicman said:
The problem with liberals and many atheists is, because they are Biblically illiterate, they don't recognize evil - i.e. the evil that is permeating America, and so they don't stand to fight against it. So your thesis fails on that point.
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Evil? What is evil but the realization that people have choices and those choices have consequences which are perceived as good choices or bad choices depending on your perspective.

Evil is simply a word we attach to actions that we perceive as being intentionally destructive leading to bad outcomes. I don't need another word to describe bad choices with negative consequences.
 
grip said:
This place of torturing, terrorizing, cutting off heads and blowing people up isn't the world I remember. Or was I sheltered from it and just starting to see it for what it's always been? Between looney idealism and excessive greed, I feel like I've fallen in the rabbit hole.
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It's always happened, but it happens less now, and because it is exceptional, and well covered by media, it seems more horrific.

Arguably, the western world is more moral now than ever before, but the morals are secular, they have less to do with controlling sex, but are more concerned with the treatment of others.
 
Logicman said:
Back then you had the American Revolution, which was a fight against evil.
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If not having representation in a parliament is evil, the the US was evil for disallowing women, blacks and the landless representation.
 
csbrown28 said:
First, Nice try, just come to grips with the fact that you just stuck your biblical foot in your prech'in mouth. It's ok, I forgive you, but you have some splan'in to do to the man upstairs....LOL

If LM was Muslim we'd all be calling him a terrorist, but because he's Christian it slips right below most peoples radar..... Evil....WTF?

Evil? What is evil but the realization that people have choices and those choices have consequences which are perceived as good choices or bad choices depending on your perspective.

Evil is simply a word we attach to actions that we perceive as being intentionally destructive leading to bad outcomes. I don't need another word to describe bad choices with negative consequences.
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Sorry, you've got nothing here. I stand by my previous post.
 
spud_meister said:
If not having representation in a parliament is evil, the the US was evil for disallowing women, blacks and the landless representation.
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Hey, unlike the communists under Stalin, at least when America screws up 40 million people aren't murdered. Congrats on that in your history!
 
Logicman said:
Hey, unlike the communists under Stalin, at least when America screws up 40 million people aren't murdered. Congrats on that in your history!
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Huh? There's a topic here. I suppose if I gave you a torch and 10 minutes, you might be able to find it.
 
spud_meister said:
Huh? There's a topic here. I suppose if I gave you a torch and 10 minutes, you might be able to find it.
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You mean like you did in your post # 35? LOL! Well, I trumped you good in # 37!
 
grip said:
Would you say that the world is changing faster now than ever or about the same?
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I would say the knowledge of that change comes in an instant today. Whereas change back then was slow to be recognized and reported on. The world is definitely a smaller place. Back when I grew up in the 1950's travel around the world for the most part was done by ship or boat, the airlines did have flights to a lot of place in the world but most of the commercial flights were still piston driven. Communications, from overseas it was all radio or teletype, 100 word per minute was fast.

TV, it was bursting onto the scene. I think my family got our first TV around 1955. 3 stations if you were lucky and they went off the air around 11PM and back on again around 6AM. News, you relied on the radio and the newspapers.
But change in the world was going on all the time, probably as fast as today. Only most people really didn't care much what happened overseas. Especially once Korea ended, like my folks, they had just been through the great depression, then WWII and finally Korea. A lot of them just said to heck with the world, they had enough. Yet a lot of people think of them as our greatest generation.

I suppose I strayed quite a lot here from your original question. Let me just say that change is constant, whether we care or not about the change and how that change effects us is another question.
 
Logicman said:
The problem with liberals and many atheists is, because they are Biblically illiterate
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A common misconception amongst believers. Many atheists are atheists because they have read the bible and other so-called holy books.
 
grip said:
Does the world seem more lost than ever or is has it always been just "chicken soup"?

I don't know if it's caused by a lack of traditions, values, core beliefs, direction, goals or purpose but people seem to be unsure of what's important?

Obviously, we all want to live as comfortable as possible and attempt to attain that position, but isn't there suppose to be something more?


This place of torturing, terrorizing, cutting off heads and blowing people up isn't the world I remember. Or was I sheltered from it and just starting to see it for what it's always been? Between looney idealism and excessive greed, I feel like I've fallen in the rabbit hole.
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You're just getting older is all.
 
zyzygy said:
A common misconception amongst believers. Many atheists are atheists because they have read the bible and other so-called holy books.
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.
 
imagep said:
These things have always gone on somewhere in the world.

Human nature never changes.
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It isn't really human nature that we're talking about. That IS always the same. What has changed is the constraints that people place on their nature, in order to function in a civil society, and in order to keep their wits about them. Nature is the same. What has changed is the ability of some humans to remain grounded and rational, in spite of everything going on around them. We have huge numbers of people on psychotropic drugs, just to function day-to-day. I think that may be what Grip was getting at. The foundations of civility have changed. The "gods" that we once trusted in, or at least had reverence for, have been torn down.
 
it's just me said:
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.
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People reading books is funny? Or do you find the idea of atheists reading the bible funny? Your logic is very skewed. I have read the bible twice. It's nonsense.
 
zyzygy said:
People reading books is funny? Or do you find the idea of atheists reading the bible funny? Your logic is very skewed. I have read the bible twice. It's nonsense.
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People CLAIMING to have read books is funny.
 
it's just me said:
People CLAIMING to have read books is funny.
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I am impressed by your clairvoyant powers...... not. Isn't is odd how woos like you on these kind of forums always know everything about people they have never met? I am very well read, and I have no idea how many books you have read. But you seem to know how many I have read. Did your imaginary god give you that super power?
 
zyzygy said:
I am impressed by your clairvoyant powers...... not. Isn't is odd how woos like you on these kind of forums always know everything about people they have never met? I am very well read, and I have no idea how many books you have read. But you seem to know how many I have read. Did your imaginary god give you that super power?
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He only needs to read 1 book to know everything
 
zyzygy said:
A common misconception amongst believers. Many atheists are atheists because they have read the bible and other so-called holy books.
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But it didn't sink in, and I doubt it was an in-depth study.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
 
KevinKohler said:
Interconnection is a beautiful thing. It's not a problem, WE are. Self acceptance solves issues with being more intimately connected to those around us. And it's only through that interconnection that as a species, we'll ever find true peace.
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Amandi said:
I think the world being able to communicate instantaneously is causing news to circulate more and people who were isolated now gets to see what actually goes on in the world. People have been committing atrocities in spite of and in the name of religion ever since humans showed up on this planet.
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What spreads faster in a large corporate building or on Twitter, bad news and gossip or good news and information? People are mobbish by nature and don't always use connectivity for it's best purposes.



spud_meister said:
It's always happened, but it happens less now, and because it is exceptional, and well covered by media, it seems more horrific.

Arguably, the western world is more moral now than ever before, but the morals are secular, they have less to do with controlling sex, but are more concerned with the treatment of others.
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I think the West is more divided and mixed up about morals than ever before, they're either extremely condemning or overly lenient.



Perotista said:
I would say the knowledge of that change comes in an instant today. Whereas change back then was slow to be recognized and reported on. The world is definitely a smaller place. Back when I grew up in the 1950's travel around the world for the most part was done by ship or boat, the airlines did have flights to a lot of place in the world but most of the commercial flights were still piston driven. Communications, from overseas it was all radio or teletype, 100 word per minute was fast.

TV, it was bursting onto the scene. I think my family got our first TV around 1955. 3 stations if you were lucky and they went off the air around 11PM and back on again around 6AM. News, you relied on the radio and the newspapers.
But change in the world was going on all the time, probably as fast as today. Only most people really didn't care much what happened overseas. Especially once Korea ended, like my folks, they had just been through the great depression, then WWII and finally Korea. A lot of them just said to heck with the world, they had enough. Yet a lot of people think of them as our greatest generation.

I suppose I strayed quite a lot here from your original question. Let me just say that change is constant, whether we care or not about the change and how that change effects us is another question.
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Big change is a coming and it's being fueled by how fast people can communicate. Look at the Arab Spring and how many of those countries have revolted against their govt's.



Quag said:
You're just getting older is all.
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Lots of people are and they're not all wrong.

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