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Who Started Christianity?

Logicman said:
This one is for the skeptics of Christianity to put forward their theories on who started Christianity, and how and why?

Also, how could lowly, supposedly illiterate fishermen concoct a philosophy and set of teachings for a man (Jesus) that men have marveled at for over 2,000 years?

Finally, skeptics are asked to provide some sort of evidence to back up their theories. Just don't slap something against the wall without having something of substance to support it.

Skeptics, let's see what you have!!
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"Christinaity" was given the gift of sanction by Constantine the Great. Before that, it was just another knock off that the Romans and the Hebrews were not so crazy about. Once, through Constantine (Rome) the power of the monastic system set in as did the financing and power of the Bishops. POlitica found that people by and large needed to feel secure "in their souls", and as people are generally speaking socially needy and tend to follow someone who has the answers, "Christianity took off until the Visigoths sacked and put an end to Rome, ushering in the Dark Ages. Christianity was driven underground until the time of Charlemagne establishe The Holy Roman Empire when political expediency was again necessary.
 
jet57 said:
"Christinaity" was given the gift of sanction by Constantine the Great. Before that, it was just another knock off that the Romans and the Hebrews were not so crazy about. Once, through Constantine (Rome) the power of the monastic system set in as did the financing and power of the Bishops. POlitica found that people by and large needed to feel secure "in their souls", and as people are generally speaking socially needy and tend to follow someone who has the answers, "Christianity took off until the Visigoths sacked and put an end to Rome, ushering in the Dark Ages. Christianity was driven underground until the time of Charlemagne establishe The Holy Roman Empire when political expediency was again necessary.
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And the early Christian church seconded pagan festivals.
 
zyzygy said:
And the early Christian church seconded pagan festivals.
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There is one thing that Christianity has going for it, and worked very very well in the ealry days: it didn't interfere with culture. This is why we see Christian croses in so many different cultural forms, and churches etc. What it did however was have a huge effect on governments all over the world.
 
KevinKohler said:
No Old Testament, no New.

No God, no son of God.

The New Testament is nothing more than a continuation of the Old. Christianity is just a different sect of Judaism.
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History shows your first two points are wrong. And Christianity is the true fulfillment of OT Judaism.
 
jet57 said:
"Christinaity" was given the gift of sanction by Constantine the Great. Before that, it was just another knock off that the Romans and the Hebrews were not so crazy about. Once, through Constantine (Rome) the power of the monastic system set in as did the financing and power of the Bishops. POlitica found that people by and large needed to feel secure "in their souls", and as people are generally speaking socially needy and tend to follow someone who has the answers, "Christianity took off until the Visigoths sacked and put an end to Rome, ushering in the Dark Ages. Christianity was driven underground until the time of Charlemagne establishe The Holy Roman Empire when political expediency was again necessary.
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The OP requires answering about the START of Christianity and who began it, and where's the evidence for that? Do have you a theory and evidence for that?
 
Logicman said:
History shows your first two points are wrong. And Christianity is the true fulfillment of OT Judaism.
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Don't be ridiculous. History shows nothing of the kind. Judaism rejects Christianity. Fail, Fail.
 
Logicman said:
The OP requires answering about the START of Christianity and who began it, and where's the evidence for that? Do have you a theory and evidence for that?
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"Christianity" as an institution was started by Constantine. So what are you referring to?
 
Logicman said:
The OP requires answering about the START of Christianity and who began it, and where's the evidence for that? Do have you a theory and evidence for that?
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Sort of tough to get a straight answer isn't it. I think reason for this has to do with your question. How do you define Christianity? The concept of Christ? The organized religion/church? A recognized system of beliefs distiller during, or closely following the crucifixion of Jesus?
There are numerous ways to interpret "Christianity" , much less proper application of the word, "start."
 
jet57 said:
"Christianity" as an institution was started by Constantine. So what are you referring to?
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Sorry, but Christianity was already several centuries old when Constantine showed up on the scene.
 
R-C said:
Sort of tough to get a straight answer isn't it. I think reason for this has to do with your question. How do you define Christianity? The concept of Christ? The organized religion/church? A recognized system of beliefs distiller during, or closely following the crucifixion of Jesus?
There are numerous ways to interpret "Christianity" , much less proper application of the word, "start."
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It starts with the life of Christ, or whoever skeptics can document invented him and the Gospels, etc.

Biblically speaking, I say it all started in the Old Testament with the prophecies that he would eventually appear.

But you're right - it is hard to get the skeptics to come up with a good theory and some evidence to back it up. So far they've all struck out badly. And if they can't come up with something solid, then their skepticism toward the Biblical Jesus is hard to take seriously.
 
Logicman said:
Who Started Christianity?
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Let me Google that for you...
During its early history, Christianity grew from a 1st-century Jewish following to a religion that existed across the entire Greco-Roman world and beyond.

Early Christianity may be divided into 2 distinct phases: the apostolic period, when the first apostles were alive and led the Church, and the post-apostolic period, when an early episcopal structure developed, and persecution was periodically intense. The Roman persecution of Christians ended in AD 313 when Constantine the Great adopted the religion, called for the First Council of Nicaea, beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils.
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So did you have another question or was that pretty much it?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Approaching the subject from the pure historical as opposed to the hysterical, one need read Roman history. Pilate was there because he pissed off the emperor, it was his last chance. Rome was trying to expand west and North. It only maintained a presence in the trouble-prone middle east because they needed a land bridge to their grain supplies in Egypt. They had had to move troops into the region to put down rebellion and religious violence; it was costing Rome too much.

Does this sound like the place a couple of fishermen, a tax collector and a bunch of vagabonds, a fraud and a cheat, and a woman reputed to be a whore could form a religion so vast that it's culture, holidays and festivals, and traditions straddle the globe?

Does it sound feasible that the most complex theology about God's relation to man would be borne out of an obscure race of people who also had a complex and feared religion?

How did a messiah get born in a backwater and come to influence the whole globe in just 2,000 years?

Not even Beyonce' with her start making machinery and power has done that?
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The apostles didn't seem to know or believe that Jesus was a a divine being. This calls into question the entire idea that Jesus ever said he was the messiah. In fact, pre-resurretion, the apostles acted in the exact opposite way of people who thought they were a witness to the messiah.

Gringo allstar said:
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate here (hehe) and try to debunk this Christianity nonsense.

1. They did for money!... Nope, the apostles were dead broke, barely had a pot to piss in.

2. They did it for popularity?... Nope, if anything this was the unpopular thing to do, unless being spit on, mocked, called a fool and laughed at is your idea of popular.

3. Fame?... see above

4. They enjoyed lying?... Well you have to believe once heads started being cutoff and guys were being crucified upside down, you're gonna come
clean!

5. They were just crazy?... If you have read the gospels, it doesn't come across as the meanderings of nutbags trying to fool people century's later.

6. They were convinced Jesus was who said he was?... This seems to be the choice millions have made over the course of a few thousand years.
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Luftwaffe said:
"The history of world civilizations, combined edition"

Talked about ethical monotheism more than monotheism in general when it came to Abraham.
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I would like to see what is the difference between the originally created concept of monotheism that was made from Egyptians and this "ethical monotheism" that could be Hebrew contribution to monotheism. So I was expecting a link or so?

Either way though, Egyptians created monotheism, Hebrews copied and (depending on this link) may have changed it a bit.
 
Logicman said:
It starts with the life of Christ, or whoever skeptics can document invented him and the Gospels, etc.

Biblically speaking, I say it all started in the Old Testament with the prophecies that he would eventually appear.

But you're right - it is hard to get the skeptics to come up with a good theory and some evidence to back it up. So far they've all struck out badly. And if they can't come up with something solid, then their skepticism toward the Biblical Jesus is hard to take seriously.
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I just showed you who created Christianity. If it was not for the Egyptians monotheistic religious concept (see earlier post with references) Hebrews would not have what to copy (or plagiarize, anyone?), which may render "Joshua" non-Jewish, and nothing for the gospels to spread out for their political gains.
 
Religion is for white people. How often do you see a black street preacher? They are almost always white. The most advanced form of Christianity is nazism, which promotes Folk, Nation, Respect for White people, Family, and a state that coddles and takes care of the demands of the religious.
 
michijo said:
Religion is for white people. How often do you see a black street preacher? They are almost always white. The most advanced form of Christianity is nazism, which promotes Folk, Nation, Respect for White people, Family, and a state that coddles and takes care of the demands of the religious.
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zyzygy said:
How many white Hindus are there in India?
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I was talking about christianity when I wrote religion. Black people were forced into Christianity through slavery. The most successful black people in the USA have disavowed Christianity as a form of slavery. Note I am not advocating atheism or talking about belief in god. Mere;ly stating my belief that Christianity after all is Eurocentric. Jesus as you know is white in most pictures. Jesus is a European idea as a person. Europeans really started christianity.
 
Logicman said:
It starts with the life of Christ, or whoever skeptics can document invented him and the Gospels, etc.

Biblically speaking, I say it all started in the Old Testament with the prophecies that he would eventually appear.

But you're right - it is hard to get the skeptics to come up with a good theory and some evidence to back it up. So far they've all struck out badly. And if they can't come up with something solid, then their skepticism toward the Biblical Jesus is hard to take seriously.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head. If one is simply hostile towards faith, religion, religious figures , practices institutions... then it is very difficult to arrive at enough common ground to engage in meaningful discussion. I will grant that with just the least degree of good faith, your question was submitted reasonably enough to initiate thoughtful discussion, but it seems the majority of respondents are too interested in asserting that something about Christianity is false, inaccurate, undesirable... to actually engage.
 
R-C said:
I think you have hit the nail on the head. If one is simply hostile towards faith, religion, religious figures , practices institutions... then it is very difficult to arrive at enough common ground to engage in meaningful discussion. I will grant that with just the least degree of good faith, your question was submitted reasonably enough to initiate thoughtful discussion, but it seems the majority of respondents are too interested in asserting that something about Christianity is false, inaccurate, undesirable... to actually engage.
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This is a philosophical discussion area in DP. We are questioning religion on onthological and empystemological basis. What you are looking for can be found in the "Religious Discussion" area.

You are welcome.
 
DDD said:
I just showed you who created Christianity. If it was not for the Egyptians monotheistic religious concept (see earlier post with references) Hebrews would not have what to copy (or plagiarize, anyone?), which may render "Joshua" non-Jewish, and nothing for the gospels to spread out for their political gains.
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But your entire premise regarding the judo Christian tradition is flawed. Nothing in the history of either indicates any political gain to be realized for the beliefs. It does highlight, however, the reality that the Egyptian Pharos determined there was political advantage in being able to assert that they were divine.
 
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