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If You Had To Chose Between A God Fearing Person vs. An Atheist ....

zyzygy said:
Typical blanket wooist statement. You have not met and spoken with every atheist in the world. I'm known as the life and soul of the party amongst my circle of friends. I play in three bands, my girlfriend is 27 years younger than me, I own my house and 2400 square meters of land, I'm one atheist who is having a great time. Think before you issue any more silly blanket statements. Did you know that six out of seven dwarfs are not happy?
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I think you and I have crossed swords before, and you sound just as insecure as ever. Yeah, you have such a great life you find it necessary to come here to pester people who otherwise have nothing to do with you. Grow up.
 
it's just me said:
I think you and I have crossed swords before, and you sound just as insecure as ever. Yeah, you have such a great life you find it necessary to come here to pester people who otherwise have nothing to do with you. Grow up.
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Let's try again.

"The fifth way is taken from the governance of the world. We see that things which lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result."-Aquinas

The rocks in my rockery are natural bodies. If they are not worn away by erosion then they will be vapourized in about 5 billion years time when the Sun expands into a red giant. Could that be described as natural bodies acting toward an end? The Moon is a natural body, in which way is it acting to get the best result? Try and ditch the insult mode and make an attempt to show that you are intelligent enough to answer my point.
 
it's just me said:
I think you and I have crossed swords before, and you sound just as insecure as ever. Yeah, you have such a great life you find it necessary to come here to pester people who otherwise have nothing to do with you. Grow up.
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Why do you continually insult people who have nothing to do with you? Does it get boring in your parent's basement?
 
it's just me said:
I think you and I have crossed swords before, and you sound just as insecure as ever.
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Where did you learn this remote viewing psychiatry? If you paid for it then ask for your money back.
 
If there were two very similar types of people with the only outstanding difference is one is religious and the other is not which of the two would you or could say might be the "better" person morally?
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This hits on why I began my path to becoming an atheist.

I am a fairly well-traveled person and given my interests, e.g. teaching ESL, have created great friendships with people of all different nationalities, ethnicities, creeds and the like. There's no major religion in the world where I don't know a person (or several people) who were raised or have beliefs in that religion. What shocked me about that was how unimportant a person's religion is to their character. Sure, there's cultural differences between my friends. However I trust that my friends are truthfully representing themselves in a manner that demonstrates what their true respective characters are. I can see that none of them are no more or less trustworthy, moral, friendly, successful, happy, fulfilled or intelligent than anyone else. That astounded me. You may be a "god fearing person," but in my relationships and experiences with other people, that simply doesn't have an effect upon their character.

My relevant question was: If god is the source of morality, or if a relationship with god is what is "good" for a person and is what brings you to an eternal salvation -- basically a larger question of god's nature -- How is it not demonstrated in the larger world? How is it that a person's antagonistic, agnostic, indifferent, respectful or celebratory attitude towards religion and God has no effect on the rewards or meaning of their life?
 
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I didn't know that one of the causes of insecurity was not accepting the existence of imaginary beings. You learn something new every day. Are believers insecure because they don't believe in the existence of the man in the Moon?
 
brothern said:
This hits on why I began my path to becoming an atheist.

I am a fairly well-traveled person and given my interests, e.g. teaching ESL, have gotten to create good friendships with people of all different nationalities, ethnicities, creeds and the like. There's no major religion in the world where I don't know a person (or several people) who were raised or have beliefs in that religion. What shocked me about that was how unimportant a person's religion is to their character. Sure, there's cultural differences between my friends. However I trust that my friends are truthfully representing themselves in a manner that demonstrates what their true respective characters are. I can see that none of them are no more or less trustworthy, moral, friendly, successful, happy, fulfilled or intelligent than anyone else. That astounded me. You may be a "god fearing person," but in my relationships that doesn't have an effect on your character.

My relevant question was: If god is the source of morality, or if relationship with god is what is "good" for a person and is what brings you to eternal salvation -- basically a larger question of god's nature -- How is it, that that is not demonstrated in the larger world? How is it that a person's antagonistic, agnostic, indifferent, respectful or celebratory attitudes towards religion and God have not effect on the rewards of their life?
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Well said and thank you for steering the thread back on track. I too judge people by their actions and not by what they profess to believe in.
 
rhinefire said:
If there were two very similar types of people with the only outstanding difference is one is religious and the other is not which of the two would you or could say might be the "better" person morally?
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Silly question. The religion of the person has nothing to do with how moral the person is. It's like asking who do you think would be more moral, a bald man or a man with hair?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Silly question. The religion of the person has nothing to do with how moral the person is. It's like asking who do you think would be more moral, a bald man or a man with hair?
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Well said. It's a pleasure to read posts by someone who is not stuck in childish insult mode.
 
Re: If You Had Tio Chose Between A God Fearing Person vs. An Atheist ....

csbrown28 said:
Why would you think that?
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You mean other than the fact that you have to constantly explain jokes to them, and that they are incredibly thin skinned and paranoid?

Other than that, not much.
 
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it's just me said:
You mean other than the fact that you have to constantly explain jokes to them, and that they are incredibly thin skinned and paranoid?

Other than that, not much.
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Yawn. The kindergarten is open again.
 
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it's just me said:
You mean other than the fact that you have to constantly explain jokes to them, and that they are incredibly thin skinned and paranoid?

Other than that, not much.
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Bigot.
 
csbrown28 said:
Bigot.
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Wow, atheists really do not like being treated the way they treat everybody else. Well, suck it up, man, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it, which is yet another reason why you shouldn't hold public office. You'll get no special treatment from the voters, I promise you that much.
 
it's just me said:
Wow, atheists really do not like being treated the way they treat everybody else. Well, suck it up, man, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it, which is yet another reason why you shouldn't hold public office. You'll get no special treatment from the voters, I promise you that much.
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Your omniscience amazes me. You know how every atheist in the world treats people. You should apply for god's job.
 
zyzygy said:
Your omniscience amazes me. You know how every atheist in the world treats people. You should apply for god's job.
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Apparently he also knows that anyone who disagrees with him is anatheist.
 
Quag said:
Apparently he also knows that anyone who disagrees with him is anatheist.
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It's an amazing super power! And so well developed in one so young.
 
it's just me said:
Wow, atheists really do not like being treated the way they treat everybody else. Well, suck it up, man, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it, which is yet another reason why you shouldn't hold public office. You'll get no special treatment from the voters, I promise you that much.
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So you think that a couple of atheists here are representative of all atheists? Are the Ku Klux Klan representative of all Christians? Not that I'm comparing us to the KKK, we're nice guys.
 
it's just me said:
Wow, atheists really do not like being treated the way they treat everybody else. Well, suck it up, man, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it, which is yet another reason why you shouldn't hold public office. You'll get no special treatment from the voters, I promise you that much.
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I don't "dish" anything out, I engage in conversation. I think if you ask the theists here, with a very, very few exceptions, I've always treated people with respect. I didn't disrespect you calling you a bigot, because that's exactly what you are when you say the things you've said.

Though with you attitude, it doesn't surprise me that people mock you.

-Cheers

-Cheers
 
it's just me said:
Wow, atheists really do not like being treated the way they treat everybody else. Well, suck it up, man, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it, which is yet another reason why you shouldn't hold public office. You'll get no special treatment from the voters, I promise you that much.
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The 'Entitlement Culture' is strong amongst the religious, that's why they kick, bite, scratch and scream when anyone proposes that the State is made level.

We already know how bigoted and intolerant the religious are at the ballot box but, thanks for the confirmation anyway.
 
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Paleocon said:
He exists of necessity eternally.
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And how can you show that this is true? Is this anything more than a statement "I believe because I believe "? Do you have any real world data that he exists of 'Necessity eterntally" or this metaphysical double talk that can not be shown to be more than word manipulation?
 
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RAMOSS said:
And how can you show that this is true? Is this anything more than a statement "I believe because I believe "? Do you have any real world data that he exists of 'Necessity eterntally" or this metaphysical double talk that can not be shown to be more than word manipulation?
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"He exists of necessity eternally" is the mother of all meaningless phrases. I have no idea what it means in the real world.
 
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