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If You Had To Chose Between A God Fearing Person vs. An Atheist ....

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rhinefire said:
I was taught many moons ago studying interpersonal communications, despite the question there is always a fitting response. Maybe because this is a written formant some questions get piled on to with a load of "what ifs" or "not enough info". The question so far remains mostly unanswered because people for the most part can't grasp the theoretical because they cannot cut it with a knife and fork and that is sad. When one is taught to think, the only tool necessary is the brain.
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This is no different than asking, what's better a dump truck or a bus....

Now I'm all about discussing morality, but if you want a meaningful conversation where you don't get responses like mine, try being a tinnie bit more specific.
 
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zyzygy said:
I don't agree. Many people pay only lip service to religion. I find it hard to believe that every American politician is truly religious, for example. People are people, you have to get to know them to judge whether they are moral or not.
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People are doing everything they can to dodge the question posed in the OP, and they are doing it unconvincingly.

Ask a simple question and you get 25 replies from people who don't what to give you a straight answer. How tiresome.
 
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LowDown said:
People are doing everything they can to dodge the question posed in the OP, and they are doing it unconvincingly.

Ask a simple question and you get 25 replies from people who don't what to give you a straight answer. How tiresome.
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It's funny how easy it is to answer a vague question when you like the answer, but I suspect, would staunchly refuse to answer a similar question if you didn't like the answer.
 
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rhinefire said:
If there were two very similar types of people with the only outstanding difference is one is religious and the other is not which of the two would you or could say might be the "better" person morally?
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Not enough data to say.
 
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csbrown28 said:
It's funny how easy it is to answer a vague question when you like the answer, but I suspect, would staunchly refuse to answer a similar question if you didn't like the answer.
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Since you don't know me at all your speculation only tells us about yourself.
 
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LowDown said:
People are doing everything they can to dodge the question posed in the OP, and they are doing it unconvincingly.

Ask a simple question and you get 25 replies from people who don't what to give you a straight answer. How tiresome.
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i.e. people didn't say what you wanted them to say.
 
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Unrepresented said:
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Based on prison population percentage and great minds, the better odds are on the atheist.
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Wrong. About twenty percent of the prison population identifies as non-believers. In absolute numbers that's several times higher than the number of academics with whom atheists prefer to identify.
 
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Ikari said:
i.e. people didn't say what you wanted them to say.
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I guess we have learned that atheists = weasels. And damned ill tempered weasels at that.
 
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rhinefire said:
Ever heard of answering a posted question regardless of how trying it may (for some)? Ever take a philosophy class?
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He did answer it. He told you that he needs more information.
 
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LowDown said:
I guess we have learned that atheists = weasels. And damned ill tempered weasels at that.
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So from your post are we to say that all theists are rude, mean, bullies who cry and denigrate others when they don't get their way?

Fact is saying that there is not enough information to conclude superior morality IS an answer. It's just not an answer you like, which is then why you reverted to broad insults. No argument, no proof, no logic, no reason...just attack, it's all you're left with.
 
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LowDown said:
Wrong. About twenty percent of the prison population identifies as non-believers. In absolute numbers that's several times higher than the number of academics with whom atheists prefer to identify.
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"Of the prisoners willing to give their religious affiliations (and that's an important caveat),atheists make up 0.07% of the prison population. Not even the 0.2% we've been using for so long.Atheists constitute an even smaller percentage of the prison population than we ever imagined."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/
 
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Visbek said:
He did answer it. He told you that he needs more information.
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So to your thinking if I asked you to choose between #3 and #8 you would respond b y saying I need more info.? How about answering this Q: Why is light?
 
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LowDown said:
If by religious you mean judeochristian....
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The OP didn't specify. Did we mention the whole "not enough information" thing? ;)


Now, before all the atheists moan and belly ache about how we should judge people on more information that that, the whole crux of the OP was what the categories "religious" and "atheistic", in and of themselves, imply about a person. And yes, I know that everyone knows of rotten Christians and saintly atheists, but we are speaking of generalities here.
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The OP asked for our opinions. We're expressing our opinions, and several people are indicating that it's not enough information. Why is that a problem?

You should also keep in mind that ethicists have spent much of the past 200+ years developing secular ethical theories, and have done a pretty good job of it. The idea that secularlists are rudderless moral relativists who do anything at any time does not even remotely resemble reality. Michael Sandel's book on the topic is a pretty good, and readable, overview of secular ethics: Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do?: Michael J. Sandel: 9780374532505: Amazon.com: Books
 
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Visbek said:
You're missing the point. Just saying "religious" and "non-religious" doesn't give any actual information about the person's intentions and actions. It's not enough information about the person to make any sort of judgment about their moral standing.
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You miss the question. Why is it apparently impossible to offer a response to what is offered instead of analyzing it, asking for adding and subtracting. Here's another.... Would you rather help a child or an infant? Everyone would respond judging from past responses, what are their ages, what is their locations what is their racial heritage, what is their gender etc., etc. Is this the math section or philosophical section???!!!!
 
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rhinefire said:
So to your thinking if I asked you to choose between #3 and #8 you would respond b y saying I need more info.? How about answering this Q: Why is light?
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No, your question was "given that A and B are identical, which is better, A or B?

There's no way to distinguish.
 
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LowDown said:
I guess we have learned that atheists = weasels. And damned ill tempered weasels at that.
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And theists like to call people names to belittle them. That says it all. Atheists are the more moral by a long shot. Religion gives a million excuses for immoral behavior and the religious use them all with gusto.

PS Yiou need to go to confession to absolve that sin you made.
 
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LowDown said:
People are doing everything they can to dodge the question posed in the OP, and they are doing it unconvincingly.

Ask a simple question and you get 25 replies from people who don't what to give you a straight answer. How tiresome.
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I live in a sensible secular country so the question would not arise. I assume that everyone I know is an atheist because none of them go to church. Religion is never discussed here, it is immaterial and plays no part in daily life. I've lived here for 40 years and have never been asked if I am an atheist or not. Nobody would care, it's not like the States here.
 
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Luftwaffe said:
objectively speaking, you're wrong.
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Not an argument.
 
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Paleocon said:
Not an argument.
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oh nice, you didn't need me to point out your lack of argument and terrible misinformation.
 
If You Had Tio Chose Between A God Fearing Person vs. An Atheist ....

rhinefire said:
If there were two very similar types of people with the only outstanding difference is one is religious and the other is not which of the two would you or could say might be the "better" person morally?
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I suppose if I were an atheist I would side with the atheist...after all the religious person is illogical and stupid for having religion.

If I were a religious person I would side with the religious person because how can an atheist have concrete morals with nothing to guide them other than self?

I'm obviously being sarcastic here...with a grain of truth to highlight the dicks on both sides of this "debate."
 
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You may as well ask me whether a random black man or white man is more moral.

Or a blonde or a brunette.
 
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shrubnose said:
I don't judge anyone based on how much time they waste or don't waste on their knees praying to a non-existent God.
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Are you sure? Because I think you just did.
 
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zyzygy said:
What are their names and how can I get to know them well enough to make a judgement? What if one was a rabid bluegrass fan and the other into thrash metal?
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The two people are exactly perfectly identical in every single way possible. You like them both exactly the same. The only difference is that one believes in God. The other one does not. Now. Give your answer.
 
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rhinefire said:
If there were two very similar types of people with the only outstanding difference is one is religious and the other is not which of the two would you or could say might be the "better" person morally?
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The non-religious person. Why do you ask?
 
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