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The threat of TERROR.

JP Cusick said:
And under that definition then the 9/11/2001 attack was not a true terrorist attack because they only targeted and only hit political targets, while the civilians killed were as our side calls them = collateral damage.

Even with Timothy McVeigh he only targeted a political and government building, so that was not terrorism either.

The USA bombing people around the world with drones (or with any weapon) is terrorism in its lowest and most dastardly form.
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Political and civilian are not mutually exclusive.
 
ecofarm said:
Political and civilian are not mutually exclusive.
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Certainly not.

There is a huge problem with that distinction - as like when one white man gets his head cut off and our side cries and cries about it being such horrible terrorism, but when we kill (murder) thousands or even millions of Arabs or Muslims then that is not called terrorism.

The politics is the thing the gives the definition even when it is only describing a human emotion like terror.

One could say that the 9/11/2001 event was using terror (not terrorism) as a weapon because the Bush administration reacted in terror and made some huge mistakes based on their own human emotions of terror.

That was not really "terrorism" based on the gov becoming terrorized, because the Gov does not count as the civilians.
 
Gardener said:
It looks more like trolling to me in its use of some really idiotic agitprop coupled with dishonest framing techniques.
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Now that is deep and profound wisdom!

Let's see, comparing the Martin case and Ferguson with slave owners hanging slaves 150 years ago is relevant how?

Thank ]for that post
 
ecofarm said:
That's sick. You're calling mail clerks legit targets.
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No, I said what they were, which is called "collateral damage", and that terminology was not made up by me.

Anyone who works in a gov office or political affiliated place or any place of American exploitation of others are thereby legitimate targets of war.

I really do not cheer that on even though I can be just as cold-blooded American as is anyone else.

What I say is that any honest caring person in the USA who fears such attacks then they need to leave their job and go back to being a civilian.


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Fearandloathing said:
Let's see, comparing the Martin case and Ferguson with slave owners hanging slaves 150 years ago is relevant how?
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Yes, it is very clear as a comparison.

White authorities having the power to kill and murder black citizens is a very long American tradition.

But I honestly think that it is turning around, because the protest are a demonstration to the white authorities that those they wish to terrorize are learning how to respond with courage, and the tide is a changing.
 
JP Cusick said:
No, I said what they were, which is called "collateral damage", and that terminology was not made up by me.

Anyone who works in a gov office or political affiliated place or any place of American exploitation of others are thereby legitimate targets of war.

I really do not cheer that on even though I can be just as cold-blooded American as is anyone else.

What I say is that any honest caring person in the USA who fears such attacks then they need to leave their job and go back to being a civilian.


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Yes, it is very clear as a comparison.

White authorities having the power to kill and murder black citizens is a very long American tradition.

But I honestly think that it is turning around, because the protest are a demonstration to the white authorities that those they wish to terrorize are learning how to respond with courage, and the tide is a changing.
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There is no "honestly" in any of that. The comparison is absurd, the sweeping generalization of white power is steeped in bigotry and racism.

This is a thread fail.
 
Fearandloathing said:
... the sweeping generalization of white power is steeped in bigotry and racism.
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I find is significant that you title your self as "Fear and Loathing" since that is very relevant to the message of this thread.

See section below:


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JP Cusick said:
This is intended as a discussion about TERROR instead of the merits of each case, as in the deeper reasons why in such cases as like the murder of Trayvon Martin and the newest murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri that the population reacted so negatively.

True terrorism is a philosophy and a psychology of physical control, but it is morally and ethically weak.
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My finding is that most white people view ourselves as being on the side of the police and that the police work for us, while African American citizens see the police otherwise.

What I say is that the vast majority of white people have simply surrendered to the power-structure and so if we kiss-up to the Bully(s) then the Bully becomes our friend.

The police truly do NOT work for the citizens as the police work for the Government, and no matter how much Americans are brainwashed into believing that we have a government of the people and by the people and for the people - that still is not true.

What we do have is government of the State and by the State and for the State, and the local police are the enforcers of the State / of the government.

As such the gov and the police fighting against the black citizens makes for the whites to feel safe, and people have sold their souls to the system just to feel safe.

Of course that is a kind of safety based on brute fore and not on morality or ethics - but that is what people do.
 
JP Cusick said:
What we do have is government of the State and by the State and for the State, and the local police are the enforcers of the State / of the government.

As such the gov and the police fighting against the black citizens makes for the whites to feel safe, and people have sold their souls to the system just to feel safe.

Of course that is a kind of safety based on brute fore and not on morality or ethics - but that is what people do.
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I spelled that word wrong.

What I meant to say was brute force, that the immoral safety is provided only through the brute force of the police.

The military comes in later only if the police are not sufficient in suppressing the population.
 
JP Cusick said:
I spelled that word wrong.

What I meant to say was brute force, that the immoral safety is provided only through the brute force of the police.

The military comes in later only if the police are not sufficient in suppressing the population.
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The police don't do a lot of suppressing where I live. Perhaps you ought to emigrate.
 
where he lives isnt the issue

hollywood maryland is a small rural farming community near the river, and patuxent naval air station

dont blink, or you'll miss it completely (not quite, but close)

st marys county is mostly farmland....really nice county

probably 40-50 miles from dc if i remember correctly

only passed through a few times....
 
gdgyva said:
where he lives isnt the issue

hollywood maryland is a small rural farming community near the river, and patuxent naval air station

dont blink, or you'll miss it completely (not quite, but close)

st marys county is mostly farmland....really nice county

probably 40-50 miles from dc if i remember correctly

only passed through a few times....
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Do the people there live in constant terror under the heel of the evil police?
 
not even the people in dc have a lot of issues with the police around here

now the fire department, and ambulance service....that is another story

so....no to your question

st marys county is fairly quiet rural area.....

now there has always been a portion of the folks down there that fall into the southern maryland redneck variety

but i have never had any issues with anyone around here.....

police or citizen

and i spend a lot of time in dc in what some would call the hood....

that is where one of my charity pet projects is located

soup kitchen/homeless shelter combination
 
gdgyva said:
hollywood maryland is a small rural farming community near the river, and patuxent naval air station
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Hollywood MD just happens to be the very best place to live on the entire planet earth with no exceptions.

The fact that most people do not know about this reality is another big perk of being the best place.

We do have the same kind of police here as is everywhere in the USA.

We had a BIG incident where the police ran down and killed one old citizen and the Cop walked away as if he did nothing and never even got a traffic ticket for killing a pedestrian.

See it here = Hollywood man struck and killed by off-duty state trooper.

In my view this is the same problem in my small town Hollywood as with the murder of Trayvon Martin and now with Michael Brown in Missouri because the police do not get prosecuted for committing murder whether it be murder by any name.
 
Lutherf said:
Are you serious about this or just trying to get a rise out of people?
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Maybe my last response to this was just too sarcastic and not a fair response, so I apologize and I here repent thereof.

Answer to question: = Yes I am serious about this subject, and I consider it to be both real and important to those of us who care about what goes on.

Getting a rise out of other people might be a positive thing in my view, but I see that you mean it in a negative way.

As such I post comments because I mean what I say and I see my words as being substantial and so however other people react or respond seems to be a very little relevance to me.

If getting a rise out of people is a positive thing then that is cool by me, but if getting "a rise" is a negative thing then I do not see their emotional baggage as being any concern of mine.

The use of the word "TERROR" is very strong language especially when it is just using fear against the people, but politically that is called "terror" because that is the "rise" that comes from the population.

In so many cases human fear is just an emotional outburst whether that is based on reality or not, but in the case as like Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri where the police shoot down an unarmed teenager in the streets and leave the body exposed for the community to get a long hard look at it - then that is an act of terrorism by the police against the African American population.

The use of fear to control any population is a long standing tactic which still goes onward.

The "problem" for those who see this event as a non-issue (the whites) is that a large part of the people in Ferguson reacted to the terrorist threat by defying it and rebelling against it as the people are refusing to live in fear and that is a problem for those who want that kind of control through fear.
 
JP Cusick said:
The "problem" for those who see this event as a non-issue (the whites) is that a large part of the people in Ferguson reacted to the terrorist threat by defying it and rebelling against it as the people are refusing to live in fear and that is a problem for those who want that kind of control through fear.
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A new problem has come up for the USA in that we try to terrorize everyone and now the Republic of Russia is telling us to back down.

Link = Don't mess with nuclear Russia, Putin says

This is pretty simple stuff, that the USA can only BULLY small and weak people, as the BULLY tactics do not work against anyone who can strike us back, or indeed can strike us down anytime they chose.

If ye live by the sword then ye shall die by the sword.
 
Gun stores there could not keep up with the demand,stay tuned.
 
JP Cusick said:
This is intended as a discussion about TERROR instead of the merits of each case, as in the deeper reasons why in such cases as like the murder of Trayvon Martin and the newest murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri that the population reacted so negatively.

As example when a slave Plantation with maybe 100 slaves then they hang one (1) slave and yet every other of the 99 get the message to live in fear, because just one death is a threat of terror to them all.

This is the same process as done in old Rome when they crucified Jesus on top of a high hill so then the entire city got the message of threat and terror and fear.

That is why the police supporting the murder of Trayvon Martin and of supporting the murder of Michael Brown is a threat of violence against all African American citizen which is a realistic threat of violence and of terrorism.

On the old slave Plantations the white "masters" saw that as enforcing their power over the slaves, while the African slaves saw it as a threat - PERSPECTIVE.

So today with in Ferguson Missouri the white people do not feel that threat so keenly with the unarmed black teenager being summary executed on the street by the police, and that is because that terrorism is not directed at us whites.

It simply is not necessary to kill hundreds or thousands because just one (1) demonstration of violent cruelty sends the same message to everyone concerned.

One of the infamous Roman Dictators Caligula worded the idea like this = "Let them hate us so long as they fear us."

The people (some of us white folk too) protest as a way of defying the terror by showing that we are not afraid of the murderers or of the police.

True terrorism is a philosophy and a psychology of physical control, but it is morally and ethically weak.
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If you really want to have a useful discussion, you should not start it by telling two outright lies in the very first sentence. Trayvon Martin was not murdered. He was killed in self defense. And according to the majority of witnesses, Michael Brown was also killed in self defense. Because you started out with two lies, I did not bother to read any further.
 
rhinefire said:
Gun stores there could not keep up with the demand,stay tuned.
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I know that is true that guns sales went up, and THAT really is a huge part of what is meant by TERROR and by terrorism, because the increase gun sales is based on the peoples' increased fear.

There is an important distinction in that statistic in that the white population were the ones buying the guns, while the African American people went out protesting and demonstrating.

If the African Americans had truly been terrorized by the murder of Michael Brown by the police then they would have gone home to hide and to cower in their homes, but the act of terrorism did not work against the black people because they have LEARNED how to respond correctly with courage instead of fear.

The white population think wrong that they are being brave by having their guns, but in fact the whites cower in their own homes clinging to their guns for their protection and that is terrorism hitting the hardest.

My fellow Caucasians need to be grateful that we have the African American people who have the guts to defy the terrorism of the police.


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ObamacareFail said:
If you really want to have a useful discussion, you should not start it by telling two outright lies in the very first sentence. Trayvon Martin was not murdered. He was killed in self defense. And according to the majority of witnesses, Michael Brown was also killed in self defense. Because you started out with two lies, I did not bother to read any further.
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Fortunately I do not see how you and that perspective would be of any benefit to a realistic or productive discussion of this subject.

The real point is to have people of honor and decency to openly and actively defy and suppress that perspective of yours.

And I truly am not trying to say that you are wrong (whether you are wrong or not) as I simply say that you are unjust and unwholesome and that you and your perspective are a part of the problem and any solution must be in aggressive opposition to your kind.
 
JP Cusick said:
I know that is true that guns sales went up, and THAT really is a huge part of what is meant by TERROR and by terrorism, because the increase gun sales is based on the peoples' increased fear.

There is an important distinction in that statistic in that the white population were the ones buying the guns, while the African American people went out protesting and demonstrating.
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Just to clarify:

Us white folk do not buy the guns to defend against the police - and to defend against the police was the point and purpose of the US 2nd Amendment, but no, the whites get the guns because of our fear (the terror) of the black people.

The fact remains that the African American people have NEVER (never ever) committed any group violence against white people based on us being white, and yet that is exactly what whites fear. And certainly it is well known that my white people have committed brutal crimes and atrocities against black people simply for being black (for not being white), and that is the expression of white prejudice and bigotry based ONLY on race, while no other race has ever been that way to us whites.

The act of terrorism in Ferguson Missouri was perpetrated by the police against a black teenager and yet the majority of the white population buy guns to protect against their fear (their TERROR) of the black people - not against the murdering police but against the non violent protesting blacks.

THERE REALLY IS A KNOWN PSYCHOLOGICAL REASON FOR THIS BACKWARD PERSPECTIVE TO HAPPEN:

To explain the therapy and mentality it goes like this:
A person who lies becomes un-trusting because a liar expects other people to tell lies just as they do their self.
The same with a thief in that the thief always worries about some one stealing their stuff and worry about being robbed because a thief expects other people to steal too just as they do.
A murderer is afraid of being murdered their self.
And this psychology is not just negative as it works in the opposite way too:
As in honest people are more believing of others, because an honest person does NOT expect lies, just like an honest person will not lock their house or lock their car as they do not expect to be robbed.
An old saying goes like this: "Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once."

That is the psychology with Trayvon Martin and now with Michael Brown - that the whites fail to see or to feel the threat or terror from the unjust violence by the police, but what my fellow whites do FEAR is that the scary black people will do unto us whites what we do unto the blacks.

We all reap-what-we-sow and white people continue to sow cruelties and injustices so we whites thereby expect and fear the day and the time will come when we will get what we deserve - and that is our white TERROR indeed.
 
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