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Is Humanity Becoming Less Violent?

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So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.

On the day this article appears, you will read about a shocking act of violence. Somewhere in the world there will be a terrorist bombing, a senseless murder, a bloody insurrection. It's impossible to learn about these catastrophes without thinking, "What is the world coming to?" With all its wars, murder and genocide, history might suggest that the taste for blood is human nature. Not so, argues Harvard Prof. Steven Pinker. He talks to WSJ's Gary Rosen about the decline in violence in recent decades and his new book, "The Better Angels of Our Nature." But a better question may be, "How bad was the world in the past?" Believe it or not, the world of the past was much worse. Violence has been in decline for thousands of years, and today we may be living in the most peaceable era in the existence of our species. The decline, to be sure, has not been smooth. It has not brought violence down to zero, and it is not guaranteed to continue. But it is a persistent historical development, visible on scales from millennia to years, from the waging of wars to the spanking of children. This claim, I know, invites skepticism, incredulity, and sometimes anger. We tend to estimate the probability of an event from the ease with which we can recall examples, and scenes of carnage are more likely to be beamed into our homes and burned into our memories than footage of people dying of old age. There will always be enough violent deaths to fill the evening news, so people's impressions of violence will be disconnected from its actual likelihood. Evidence of our bloody history is not hard to find. Consider the genocides in the Old Testament and the crucifixions in the New, the gory mutilations in Shakespeare's tragedies and Grimm's fairy tales, the British monarchs who beheaded their relatives and the American founders who dueled with their rivals. Today the decline in these brutal practices can be quantified. A look at the numbers shows that over the course of our history, humankind has been blessed with six major declines of violence.

Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?

It seems to me to be more tied to cultural norms and cultural advancement than anything else. We see this right now in the Middle East, and even here in the US in certain areas.

When violence is an acceptable form of protest, and acceptable form of gaining power or holding power then violence will surface and exist to the level that the particular culture and society will allow it to do so.

As societies and cultures are more educated, more structured by a Social Contract (as AlbqOwl was discussing in her thread) and become more empowered to guide their own future, the instances of societal violence subsides.
 
Humanity isn't becoming less violent, but the need for violence is reduced, at least at a state level. Which is rather the point that guy is making too. It's not human nature changing, it's human nature adapting to reality.

Western civilization was the first one who managed to make trade and peace more profitable for the people in power than war (war is rarely profitable for you and me, but it's profitable for people who are in the arms industry or generally profit from war and conquest). This is due to the enlightenment and the industrial revolution.

Daily violence, as in, when people go to the pub, get drunk, and get involved in a proper thrashing, may get lowered because people may stop drinking or start drinking more responsible, but generally, the violence is still there, it's just less need for it.
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?

The millions of unborn children murdered in just the last month might disagree.

The last 100 years have probably been the most violent as far as wars go.
 
Violent crime has supposedly been declining over the last several years. I attribute at least some of that to people being armed.
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?

As we become increasingly interdependent and physically comfortable, I can see where desperation decreases.

Also the world has morally shifted since world war 1. Before then violence was seen as another part of life and not horrifying. The mass slaughter if that was changed people's minds. That is well documented.
 
Humanity isn't becoming less violent, but the need for violence is reduced, at least at a state level. Which is rather the point that guy is making too. It's not human nature changing, it's human nature adapting to reality.

Western civilization was the first one who managed to make trade and peace more profitable for the people in power than war (war is rarely profitable for you and me, but it's profitable for people who are in the arms industry or generally profit from war and conquest). This is due to the enlightenment and the industrial revolution.

Daily violence, as in, when people go to the pub, get drunk, and get involved in a proper thrashing, may get lowered because people may stop drinking or start drinking more responsible, but generally, the violence is still there, it's just less need for it.

Good point - I also agree that human kind has not evolved (or if it has it's nearly imperceptible) away from our 12 century ancestors. At a macro level and comparing statistical data of today vs. history - sure it may seem like we are less violent, but that's not true. We are one outrage away from pitch forks and torches - impaling people for the most minor offense. At a micro level we are as we were 1,000 years ago.
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?

There are several reasons:

1 - the standard of living of humankind as a whole is far beyond anything ever experienced before.
2 - the general level of education of humankind is far beyond anything ever experienced before.
3 - the ease of communication worldwide is beyond what anyone could have dreamt.
4 - the ease of transportation worldwide has experienced a similar quantum leap.
5 - we now have the opportunity to end all life on earth...which provides a great disincentive to start major wars with other great powers.
6 - it's not just military that are primary targets, but cities as well - the capitals of nations is no longer safely far behind the combat front.
7 - warfare is no longer just armed combat, but also electronic, internet-based, and even involves corporate espionage.
8 - the fog of warfare has mostly (but certainly not fully) cleared away.
9 - Asymmetric warfare is sometimes more effective than general warfare.
10 - Belligerence by a nation can result in worldwide trade sanctions against that nation...which, thanks to our new worldwide interdependence, is much more effective than it might have been before.

In other words, humankind is not less violent by nature, but by circumstance.
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?
Yes and no.

Yes, probably, there is less violence overall, but I attribute that to standards of living being better than ever before. You can even see it in today's world, less affluent societies tend to be more violent than more affluent and stable societies. And today's world is more affluent and stable than ever before.

So, it's not that people are less violent, it's that people have less need to be violent, but the capacity for violence is still there.
 
So I came across an interesting article by Steven Pinker, a psychologist, who has made the case that humanity as a whole is becoming increasingly non-violent compared to the rest of history.



Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ

Thoughts?

Globalization has also played a role in this. Not only is it, as others have pointed out, far more economically beneficial for countries to remain at peace, but I also would argue it's far more difficult for propaganda to be as effective as it use to be.
 
Yes and no.

Yes, probably, there is less violence overall, but I attribute that to standards of living being better than ever before. You can even see it in today's world, less affluent societies tend to be more violent than more affluent and stable societies. And today's world is more affluent and stable than ever before.

So, it's not that people are less violent, it's that people have less need to be violent, but the capacity for violence is still there.



Exactly. People are never more than a few missed meals and a few freezing cold nights away from mass mayhem. It just rarely shows these days because we live among such abundance in the West.
 
Perhaps as a whole we're less overt about violence but there are plenty of people amongst the rest who are overt-only about violence - the "night shift" in South Chicago or ISIS or Neo-Nazis or Drug Cartels. There are a lot of bad men "at the door."
 
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