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Glorifying Suicide, don't do it.

Hamster Buddha said:
Death Rates for Suicide, 1950–2010

Edit: Or particular note by the way is the 15-24 where in 1950 it was just 4.5, but is now more than doubled to 10.5
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The overall rate, at the top, shows that it's less than in 1950 - 13.2 to 12.1. If you really look, the overall rate of 13.2 held from 1950-1980, then wen't down to its low point in 2000 at 10.4. It has rebounded a bit, but it seems that a rate 10 to 13 per 100,000 has been pretty consistent since 1950.
 
Thorgasm said:
I'm a liberal. You wouldn't believe me.
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You got that right. But what that has to do with the PoS cutting his wrist and asphyxiating himself...only you would know, Dr.
 
HogWash said:
You got that right. But what that has to do with the PoS cutting his wrist and asphyxiating himself...only you would know, Dr.
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You said it was drugs. I'm glad you educated yourself.

Or were you saying he was a loser because he was sober for 20 years?
 
Redress said:
So reading that, suicide rates are actually lower now than in the 50s overall.
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Yeah but every age group under 44 is up and every age group over 44 is down. I suspect the quality of later age healthcare has a lot to do with that.
 
rocket88 said:
The overall rate, at the top, shows that it's less than in 1950 - 13.2 to 12.1. If you really look, the overall rate of 13.2 held from 1950-1980, then wen't down to its low point in 2000 at 10.4. It has rebounded a bit, but it seems that a rate 10 to 13 per 100,000 has been pretty consistent since 1950.
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Redress said:
So reading that, suicide rates are actually lower now than in the 50s overall.
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I think by looking at the overall rate though, we miss out on the important facts though. The reason overall it is better can be primarily attributed to the decline in elderly suicides. (65 and older see a drop from 30 to 15) And this can be attributed to much better care being taken to elderly in general. Think about it; we didn't even have medicare until the 70's right? And just think how much that alone improved the quality of life for elderly.

However, what has gotten much worse is when it comes to young people, as I mentioned with the 15-24 age group doubling. But this shouldn't be surprising though as I also know that depression rates among American young adults is so high. The shocking thing about it is that white America has been hit the hardest. I believe it's like 12% or white Americans in that age group suffer from depression? If you don't believe me, all you have to do is look at the string of spree shootings in the US. They've all been done by people with severe mental illnesses and they have all been white. (On a sidenote, only Native Americans have it worse in these rankings than whites do. But consider for a moment how many whites there are in this country compared to other minorities, and you start to grasp how large this problem is)
 
Crovax said:
Yeah but every age group under 44 is up and every age group over 44 is down. I suspect the quality of later age healthcare has a lot to do with that.
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DAMN IT I WAS SO CLOSE ... thanks for stealing my thunder...
 
Thorgasm said:
You said it was drugs. I'm glad you educated yourself.

Or were you saying he was a loser because he was sober for 20 years?
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Here is what I said, Dr. Thorgasm...

This would be easy enough to do if not for all the fawning by the overly sycophantic media raving about what a wonderful human being this loser was. And he was a loser. Supposedly 20 years of sobriety and then he pulls that.
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Meaning he fell off the wagon and resumed his partying lifestyle to the point where he offed himself. You seem to be the one that needs a lesson in comprehension Dr. Thorgasm.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I think by looking at the overall rate though, we miss out on the important facts though. The reason overall it is better can be primarily attributed to the decline in elderly suicides. (65 and older see a drop from 30 to 15) And this can be attributed to much better care being taken to elderly in general. Think about it; we didn't even have medicare until the 70's right? And just think how much that alone improved the quality of life for elderly.

However, what has gotten much worse is when it comes to young people, as I mentioned with the 15-24 age group doubling. But this shouldn't be surprising though as I also know that depression rates among American young adults is so high. The shocking thing about it is that white America has been hit the hardest. I believe it's like 12% or white Americans in that age group suffer from depression? If you don't believe me, all you have to do is look at the string of spree shootings in the US. They've all been done by people with severe mental illnesses and they have all been white. (On a sidenote, only Native Americans have it worse in these rankings than whites do. But consider for a moment how many whites there are in this country compared to other minorities, and you start to grasp how large this problem is)
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I know you won't be able to wrap your mind around this, but the people that do these mass shootings aren't mentally ill, they are evil. So I guess Hitler was mentally ill?? Stop making excuses for murdering evil bastards!
 
radcen said:
There's a difference between glorifying suicide, which I agree shouldn't be done, and having sane rational discussions regarding suicide and depression. I see the latter being done primarily regarding Williams' death.

If you cannot or do not see a difference then I would suggest that you are too close-minded to weigh in on the subject with any validity.
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What I hate seeing in any discussion on suicide is the automatic assumption that something must have been mentally wrong with this individual because clearly, no one in their right mind could ever decide they didn't want to live anymore, there could never be any good reason to kill oneself. This is a product of the abject fear of death that most people have, they can't imagine anyone not wanting to live as long as they possibly can, regardless of the circumstances. So long as that's the case, we can never have a rational discussion about suicide because most people can't be rational about death.
 
HogWash said:
Here is what I said, Dr. Thorgasm...



Meaning he fell off the wagon and resumed his partying lifestyle to the point where he offed himself. You seem to be the one that needs a lesson in comprehension Dr. Thorgasm.
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How did you get the toxicology report already?
 
MrVicchio said:
In light of the death of Robin Williams and the shameless fawning over his death in the media and pop culture...

I want to take a few moments to say some things that... might seem harsh. Mind you, this is not including those whom are terminally ill and in great, unquenchable pain. That's a different discussion. No, really, it is so stop.

1. I'm sorry he passed away like he did. That he suffered so terribly in his own mind.

2. I have really no respect for people that kill themselves. Those that try, fail and redeem themselves I do. Strange way at first to consider it, but it takes years.

Now that we've got that out of the way, let me explain. I wonder how many people will read further and make fools of themselves later in this? When I was in the Navy, I got to go through suicide prevention training. One of the first things they stressed, was not to "glorify" or make "a martyr or victim" of the suicidee. The pain, anguish and horror that their death leaves behind should be a somber reminder of how utterly selfish suicide is. We focus on helping the victims recover, and working to prevent COPY CATS. You off yourself, everyone fawns over your death, and then some other poor soul thinks "look how much GOOD happened here.." and then they do it.

The point. And this is IMPORTANT, is to prevent further loss of life. If you fail to prevent the first one, work damned hard to prevent other deaths. I always get riled up when someone famous commits suicide, because the words of our instructor ring true in my heart. SAVE LIVES.

I will now provide some links from people OTHER than myself to back my point up, please understand my emphasis is on saving lives. Life is precious.


Risk to glorifying teen suicide

Suicide should never be glorified in society | Campus Times


Suicide :: The Romance & The Reality, by Gayle Rosellini & Mark Worden


Recently Limbaugh was attacked for making comments about the death, his main focus was fear the coverage might lead others to the same. And that's a VERY REAL risk.
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Public discussion about the causes of depression is not 'glorification'. I think people over-judgmentalize concerning the actions of others. In so doing, they cause the discussion to veer away from possible real causes. If we choose to be judgmental to the detriment of seeking real knowledge, THAT is where the risk lies in causing increases to the number of suicides. I can guarantee that a person thinking about suicide doesn't give two ****s about what people think about what they are doing. They think about what people think, sure, but the emotional focus on their own pain seems far and away larger and more unbearable than the judgement they will engender from others. It makes sense that it would be that way to them, after all, since they are contemplating taking their own life. That is a HUGE step, so the condemnation of others would pale in comparison, and be an insignificant consideration.

I seriously doubt you choosing understanding over being judgmental is going to result in more suicides.
 
HogWash said:
Apparently he hated himself so much he opted out in a chicken**** way. ALL BECAUSE OF HIS DRUG ADDICTION which he couldn't stop. Remember though, drugs are good to use socially. Yeah, right...bull****.
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HogWash said:
You got that right. But what that has to do with the PoS cutting his wrist and asphyxiating himself...only you would know, Dr.
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He had a long history of depression and had self medicated in the past because of a chemical imbalance in his brain, not because he decided to hate himself for no reason. Mental depression, bipolar disorder, ADD, PTSD, schizophrenia, OCD, borderline personality disorder, psychosis are all recognized biological and mental disorders, not merely a choice to self destruct. Why are you so angry with yourself?
 
Thorgasm said:
How did you get the toxicology report already?
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Just going by what I read on the internets by news agencies like FOX, Huff, etc etc etc. Those mentioned he was despondent and deeply depressed in recent years due to resuming his drugging/partying ways.
 
grip said:
He had a long history of depression and had self medicated in the past because of a chemical imbalance in his brain, not because he decided to hate himself for no reason. Mental depression, bipolar disorder, ADD, PTSD, schizophrenia, OCD, borderline personality disorder, psychosis are all recognized biological and mental disorders, not merely a choice to self destruct. Why are you so angry with yourself?
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I'm fine with myself...I don't drug it up.
 
1750Texan said:
Everyone has the right to choose their own destiny...even death. Take your nose out of other people's business.
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I wish this were true, however, according to the laws of modern western society, this is demonstrably untrue.
 
GottaGo said:
Depression can be devastating. When things that other people brush off become an interminable weight, and a person sees no other way out, it can lead to suicide.

Suicide is not immoral. It is the culmination of mental agony, as real as any physical pain.
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Suicide is considered immoral because most religions say it's so. It's one of many reasons why I'm no longer a religious person.
 
Crovax said:
Condemnation of suicide should make people not want to do it and seek help for it. What causing suicides is telling them they have depression and its not their fault.We are coddling their weak mind, making it even more susceptible to suicidal thoughts. We have given out participation trophies so long that all of society thinks they are special, no one has ever told them they the majority of them are just average and when they realization finally hits they don't have the mental strength to handle it because no one along the way had the integrity to tell them the hard truth.
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Condemnation doesn't accomplish that goal. What's your backup plan?
 
rocket88 said:
As a person who has, and continues to suffer from depression, I have many times been almost there. I know what can drive a person to do it.

Saying that, and glorifying it is a different thing altogether. I have seen people speak glowingly of Williams' career, but not of the manner of his death. I have heard it called terrible, and I've heard some understanding from those who have been there. But not "Oh, isn't it great how he killed himself!"

If anybody wants to show me that, and how it's been pervasive I'm open to seeing it.
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Don't you dare ever consider it - you're one of my favourite foils on this site!!
 
Dezaad said:
Public discussion about the causes of depression is not 'glorification'. I think people over-judgmentalize concerning the actions of others. In so doing, they cause the discussion to veer away from possible real causes. If we choose to be judgmental to the detriment of seeking real knowledge, THAT is where the risk lies in causing increases to the number of suicides. I can guarantee that a person thinking about suicide doesn't give two ****s about what people think about what they are doing. They think about what people think, sure, but the emotional focus on their own pain seems far and away larger and more unbearable than the judgement they will engender from others. It makes sense that it would be that way to them, after all, since they are contemplating taking their own life. That is a HUGE step, so the condemnation of others would pale in comparison, and be an insignificant consideration.

I seriously doubt you choosing understanding over being judgmental is going to result in more suicides.
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I just trust the experts, you can trust your... beliefs.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Death Rates for Suicide, 1950–2010

Edit: Or particular note by the way is the 15-24 where in 1950 it was just 4.5, but is now more than doubled to 10.5
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More young people don't see much of a future for themselves these days considering the wonderful way my generation has screwed up society and our children's futures in it.
 
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