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Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists[W:222]

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Cupp makes some very astute observations. It seems to me that atheists on the right in the US tend to be moral level-headed people who are very tolerant of religious folks. Atheists on the left tend to be hateful disillusioned ex-Christians who lost their morals when they lost their religion.
 
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joG said:
You don't have the feeling that many atheists tend to be rather intolerant? That is interesting.
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There are some atheists that are hostile and put the "mental" in judgmental just as there are believers who are that way. There are also plenty of atheists that aren't like that all (oh and from my experience, political lean is completely irrelevant).
 
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X Factor said:
There are some atheists that are hostile and put the "mental" in judgmental just as there are believers who are that way. There are also plenty of atheists that aren't like that all.
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You mean they just do not write as much in the forum?
 
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She' wrong about having to join a 'group' or have a membership to be religious.

Mine is quite personal.
 
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Her central point is ridiculous though. I mean it isn't liberals claiming Christmas is under attack, or that this country is heading towards some sort of nihilism. Conservatism in the U.S today, even its mainstream form, is hostile to a complete separation of religion and public affairs. They protest trivial matters, insist on things like school prayer, and ensure that Christianity plays a major part in policy decisions.
 
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Brouwer said:
Her central point is ridiculous though. I mean it isn't liberals claiming Christmas is under attack, or that this country is heading towards some sort of nihilism. Conservatism in the U.S today, even its mainstream form, is hostile to a complete separation of religion and public affairs. They protest trivial matters, insist on things like school prayer, and ensure that Christianity plays a major part in policy decisions.
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When a person is elected to a public office, the decisions they make are always based on their beliefs. That will never change because it can't. Even an atheist who gets elected is going to make decisions based on what they believe about social justice or whatever.


The opinion in the OP is really no better than saying "Our kool-aid drinkers are better than yours." Which I've sadly come to expect as "discourse" these days.
 
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joG said:
You don't have the feeling that many atheists tend to be rather intolerant? That is interesting.
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Compared to theists? Hell no. Theism is inherently intolerant, they think they're right and everyone else is wrong and they spend their time out trying to win everyone out to their team.
 
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Cephus said:
Compared to theists? Hell no. Theism is inherently intolerant, they think they're right and everyone else is wrong and they spend their time out trying to win everyone out to their team.
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Oh the irony.
 
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Muhammed said:
Cupp makes some very astute observations. It seems to me that atheists on the right in the US tend to be moral level-headed people who are very tolerant of religious folks. Atheists on the left tend to be hateful disillusioned ex-Christians who lost their morals when they lost their religion.
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X Factor said:
There are some atheists that are hostile and put the "mental" in judgmental just as there are believers who are that way. There are also plenty of atheists that aren't like that all (oh and from my experience, political lean is completely irrelevant).
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joG said:
You mean they just do not write as much in the forum?
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Cephus said:
Compared to theists? Hell no. Theism is inherently intolerant, they think they're right and everyone else is wrong and they spend their time out trying to win everyone out to their team.
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It is very notable that there are quite a few who identify as atheists, who are very overtly intolerant of anyone who professes any religious faith. For the most part, such atheists seem to predominately identify as liberal.

Surely there are conservative atheists, and surely there are atheists who are tolerant of others' beliefs, but these aren't the atheists from or about whom one hears much. I guess there's not much for an atheist to say about atheism, unless it's to attack theism.
 
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Cephus said:
Compared to theists? Hell no. Theism is inherently intolerant, they think they're right and everyone else is wrong and they spend their time out trying to win everyone out to their team.
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I will have to think about what it is that gives me the impression of greater intolerance. Because it is true that, religions do tend to be rather nasty to others.
 
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Muhammed said:
Cupp makes some very astute observations. It seems to me that atheists on the right in the US tend to be moral level-headed people who are very tolerant of religious folks. Atheists on the left tend to be hateful disillusioned ex-Christians who lost their morals when they lost their religion.
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SOME of our morals. For example, my honesty increased when I lost Christianity. My virtues also increased, such as compassion. Yes, I lost some morals, but I traded up.

One of the most stupid things Cupp says is that she wants our President to believe an untruth in order to be a good President. THAT sounds to me like an atheist who doesn't believe atheists are as moral as religious people, despite being correct about reality. If she can't find a reason by which to convince the President to be moral, she will turn to false revelation? It is a bizarre assertion, an example among many.
 
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Paleocon said:
Oh the irony.
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Oh come on. Revelation is passionately intolerant. Reason is merely passionate.
 
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Paleocon said:
Oh the irony.
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are you sure your the 1 who should be saying that mr. lets lock up the gays?
 
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Brouwer said:
Her central point is ridiculous though. I mean it isn't liberals claiming Christmas is under attack, or that this country is heading towards some sort of nihilism. Conservatism in the U.S today, even its mainstream form, is hostile to a complete separation of religion and public affairs. They protest trivial matters, insist on things like school prayer, and ensure that Christianity plays a major part in policy decisions.
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What trivial matters are being protested? Who's insisting on school prayer? Details/links please.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
It is very notable that there are quite a few who identify as atheists, who are very overtly intolerant of anyone who professes any religious faith. For the most part, such atheists seem to predominately identify as liberal.

Surely there are conservative atheists, and surely there are atheists who are tolerant of others' beliefs, but these aren't the atheists from or about whom one hears much. I guess there's not much for an atheist to say about atheism, unless it's to attack theism.
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I am both conservative and atheist for the same reason (well, anti-liberal/progressive):

I don't believe in magic.

I am not intolerant of anyone's religious beliefs anymore than I am intolerant of people who do everything their horoscopes and fortune cookies tell them to do. I just don't respect decisions made in the name of religion. So long as it's not hurting me or anyone else, go nuts. Believe whatever you like. But when it starts to affect me, I will say something.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
I am both conservative and atheist for the same reason (well, anti-liberal/progressive):

I don't believe in magic.

I am not intolerant of anyone's religious beliefs anymore than I am intolerant of people who do everything their horoscopes and fortune cookies tell them to do. I just don't respect decisions made in the name of religion. So long as it's not hurting me or anyone else, go nuts. Believe whatever you like. But when it starts to affect me, I will say something.
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I feel the same most of the time, but there are times i reflect on the religious rights' stranglehold and how, for instance, only 1 state has legal assisted suicide, and i have to admit the "go nuts" ensures their lunacy will affect us. There are just too many bat**** crazy fundamentalists out there with a vote
 
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chromium said:
I feel the same most of the time, but there are times i reflect on the religious rights' stranglehold and how, for instance, only 1 state has legal assisted suicide, and i have to admit the "go nuts" ensures their lunacy will affect us. There are just too many bat**** crazy fundamentalists out there with a vote
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The religionists on the right are the very reason we have had the economic idiocy of the left foisted upon us.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
It is very notable that there are quite a few who identify as atheists, who are very overtly intolerant of anyone who professes any religious faith. For the most part, such atheists seem to predominately identify as liberal.

Surely there are conservative atheists, and surely there are atheists who are tolerant of others' beliefs, but these aren't the atheists from or about whom one hears much. I guess there's not much for an atheist to say about atheism, unless it's to attack theism.
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Or, as is more likely the case, theists are a bunch of bullies on the block who are used to being in power and now that people are telling them that they're no longer special, they look at any disagreement with their beliefs as a personal attack. It's like slave owners who, when told they can't own slaves, scream "oh no, we're being oppressed!"

The irony here is quite laughable.
 
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joG said:
I will have to think about what it is that gives me the impression of greater intolerance. Because it is true that, religions do tend to be rather nasty to others.
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The religious, especially Christianity in most of the western world, has had an undeserved privileged status for many, many years. That status is going away now, people are recognizing that they shouldn't run the government, shouldn't run society, and don't deserve the unquestioned power that religion has built for itself for hundreds of years and the religious aren't happy about it. They want the power. They want the control. Therefore, anyone suggesting that they don't deserve it is somehow oppressing them. Anyone who points out that religion has nothing to offer, no evidence to support it, those people are being intolerant.

No, those people are being honest.
 
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I am sure Conservatism in America is every bit as welcoming to Atheists as it is to Gays, Lesbians, much of the Scientific Community, Muslims and so on….;)
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I am sure Conservatism in America is every bit as welcoming to Atheists as it is to Gays, Lesbians, much of the Scientific Community, Muslims and so on….;)
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Conservatism? Yes. Neo-conservatism? No. Two entirely different things. Neo-conservatives are closer to liberals than they are to conservatives.
 
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joG said:
You don't have the feeling that many atheists tend to be rather intolerant? That is interesting.
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Religion is, at it's root, a set of values. All values can be reduced to facts about the values we hold. If I take issue with anything, it's the facts upon which people base their values encroach into the public space. Values and the beliefs that people hold inform our actions and those actions have consequences in the public sphere.

The problem is that some of the ideas upon which the religious hold don't stand up to scrutiny when examined in the light of the evidence.

If opposing actions in the public sphere that are based on values whose facts aren't consistent with evidence makes me intolerant, than you can add intolerant as another label that I must wear.

I'd like to add, that there are a LOT of religions that I'm completely tolerant of, even if I don't agree with them. Their values and the facts that their values are based upon don't seem to creep into the public sphere the way that certain sects of Christianity..
 
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