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Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists[W:222]

Re: Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists

William Rea said:
Errr, in your mind maybe champ. I already stated SEVERAL times that proof is for mathematics and Whiskey, did you not get that?
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It's bologna. You can state that a thousand times it's still Bologna.

Einstein used Mathematics to model reality and then make predictions, some of which have been confirmed by evidence and subsequently this supports his paradigm.
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Yeah, how it's that not proof? Don't give me bologna again.
Unfortunately, except in your little World perhaps, the Universe doesn't behave exactly as the mathematics models it but, it approximates closely enough to make it useful for us.
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Semantics.
You can 'prove' things in Mathematics but, the Universe is not obliged to conform to that proof.
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Thus rendering atheism to be charlatanism. Or a simple opinionated belief.

Yes, it is the kind of bunk that resulted in the kind of life expectancy and living standards that you now enjoy. Reality is a bitch ain't it.
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Unsure theories give me unsure standards. I thank the Lord every day that these things exist. It doesn't dissuade my beliefs.
 
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William Rea said:
I already stated SEVERAL times that proof is for mathematics and Whiskey, did you not get that?
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No and he won't because if he actually acknowledged reality, all of his ridiculous beliefs would fall apart.

Einstein used Mathematics to model reality and then make predictions, some of which have been confirmed by evidence and subsequently this supports his paradigm. Unfortunately, except in your World perhaps, the Universe doesn't behave exactly as the mathematics models it but, it approximates closely enough to make it useful for us. You can 'prove' things in Mathematics but, the Universe is not obliged to conform to that proof.
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Well, that's really backwards. Our mathematical models aren't 100% congruent with the universe but they work very well anyhow. As we learn more, we add to the models which gives us an even more accurate understanding of the universe as a whole. One way we know we're on the right track is that as we learn more, we don't have to throw out the old models and start over, we find that there are only minor alterations to be made.

Yes, it is the kind of bunk that resulted in the kind of life expectancy and living standards that you now enjoy.
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Nah, he'll refuse to acknowledge that too. Of course, the people who claim science is wrong are the same people enjoying all of the benefits, including the computers they are using to access the Internet and post on this forum. But yeah, science sucks and is wrong and stuff. :roll:
 
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Cephus said:
No and he won't because if he actually acknowledged reality, all of his ridiculous beliefs would fall apart.
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Disagreement is not acknowledging reality. Thus we have gotten to the point I stated would be. You become frustrated and then accuse me of rejecting reality because I don't hold your opinion.



Well, that's really backwards. Our mathematical models aren't 100% congruent with the universe but they work very well anyhow. As we learn more, we add to the models which gives us an even more accurate understanding of the universe as a whole. One way we know we're on the right track is that as we learn more, we don't have to throw out the old models and start over, we find that there are only minor alterations to be made.
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Straw men and add hominem is all you have. I never said anything that would imply this.



Nah, he'll refuse to acknowledge that too. Of course, the people who claim science is wrong are the same people enjoying all of the benefits, including the computers they are using to access the Internet and post on this forum. But yeah, science sucks and is wrong and stuff. :roll:
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A straw man to a complete lie, bravo. I never rejected science. It simply doesn't say anything about God. So believing in God isn't a rejection of science. It's a rejection of atheism which is not really based on science.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
So they're it's room for God. My point exactly. You are preaching to the choir. I know science can't explain everything. That was my argument. This it doesn't disprove God.
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So, I know you've heard this before, but I'll just say it. God of the gaps. God simply exists in the gaps of human knowledge, because there is nothing that any god offers that can be substantiated that it actually came from a god on not you or someone else can offer falsifiable evidence.

I know god exists because I believe he exists....This is called circular reasoning.

Now I've said my peace, you can believe whatever you wish and as long as you don't promote ideas in the public sphere based on your belief in god that conflict with evidence, we will leave in peace :peace
 
Re: Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists

CLAX1911 said:
Disagreement is not acknowledging reality. Thus we have gotten to the point I stated would be. You become frustrated and then accuse me of rejecting reality because I don't hold your opinion.

Straw men and add hominem is all you have. I never said anything that would imply this.

A straw man to a complete lie, bravo. I never rejected science. It simply doesn't say anything about God. So believing in God isn't a rejection of science. It's a rejection of atheism which is not really based on science.
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The way you equivocate with words and definitions in your posts is further evidence of the dishonesty of your position. For you to reply to Cephus as you have above is simply hypocrisy and if you are half as smart as you like to think you are then you already know this and persevere with it anyway.
 
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William Rea said:
The way you equivocate with words and definitions in your posts is further evidence of the dishonesty of your position. For you to reply to Cephus as you have above is simply hypocrisy and if you are half as smart as you like to think you are then you already know this and persevere with it anyway.
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Here we are, I am a hypocrite and a liar because I don't agree with the atheists.

I can't have this discussion without you guys getting frustrated and posting ad hominem.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Here we are, I am a hypocrite and a liar because I don't agree with the atheists.

I can't have this discussion without you guys getting frustrated and posting ad hominem.

Thanks for proving my point.
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WTF?

You were dancing around a point about the sun coming up, not in an attempt to understand, but simply to obfuscate and you were called out for it.

Now stop being such a martyr and internalizing.
 
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csbrown28 said:
WTF?

You were dancing around a point about the sun coming up, not in an attempt to understand, but simply to obfuscate and you were called out for it.

Now stop being such a martyr and internalizing.
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Sunrise is certain.

I wouldn't be a martyr because I didn't die. I predicted that exact outcome. And now you have your panties in a bunch because I was right.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Here we are, I am a hypocrite and a liar because I don't agree with the atheists.

I can't have this discussion without you guys getting frustrated and posting ad hominem.

Thanks for proving my point.
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No, you are being called out for the way you are posting and what you are posting, plain and simple.

I am far from frustrated and have yet to ad hominem you and frankly, it would be REALLY boring to have to teach you about other fallacies as well as the straw man of the Scientific process that you are trying to present. Seriously, if you want me to stop believing that your are a politicised religionist then you should stop posting like one and start listening to what is being said. I will tell you that I have posted on religious sites and come up against people far more adroit than you at this game so don't kid yourself.

You have no point.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Here we are, I am a hypocrite and a liar because I don't agree with the atheists.

I can't have this discussion without you guys getting frustrated and posting ad hominem.

Thanks for proving my point.
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I'll make it simple for you from this point on...

I am NEVER going to agree with you if you make any attempt to squeeze any deity or supernatural whatsoever into Science; it is not required, it is not parsimonious and saying Goddidit stifles investigation. It is besides the point that I am an atheist myself; I'll put it this way, there are many Christians that do Science but, none of them do 'Christian Science' so you are not just disagreeing with atheists, you are disagreeing with many Christians.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that if we don't know everything then we can't know anything (Hovind schtick).
I am NEVER going to agree with you that Science doesn't know everything now and so it will never know more in the future.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that Science is synonymous with Atheism. I will however agree that Science is shrinking religion as it closes the Goddidit wiggle room down and certain brands of religion are making their particular deity look very small and insignificant by adhering to fundaliteralism.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that while things can be proven in Mathematics, that that consequently means that they are proven in reality. Science uses mathematics as a language to describe reality and by close approximation to investigate it and make predictions.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that the scientific method does anything other than attempt to disprove the null hypothesis (falsifiable).
I am NEVER going to agree with you that because science modifies it's models of reality as new evidence is found; that is not a weakness, it is the strength of the method and something that religions mostly cannot or will not do.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that there is a Science Conspiracy or that disagreeing with you is somehow a part of that.

I'm sure I could add more but this will do for now so unless you can come up with a compelling reason for me to contradict any of the above then save your bandwidth.
 
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William Rea said:
No, you are being called out for the way you are posting and what you are posting, plain and simple.
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:lamo: okay.

I am far from frustrated and have yet to ad hominem you and frankly, it would be REALLY boring to have to teach you about other fallacies as well as the straw man of the Scientific process that you are trying to present.
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Accusations of dishonesty, yeah that isn't ad hominem in the least. my argument isn't a straw man either.

Seriously, if you want me to stop believing that your are a politicised religionist then you should stop posting like one and start listening to what is being said.
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Seriously, I don't give a **** what you believe.

I will tell you that I have posted on religious sites and come up against people far more adroit than you at this game so don't kid yourself.
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:shrug: At the end of the day, God is still good.

You have no point.
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Maybe you should go talk on religious websites with people that are more adriot than I am.
 
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William Rea said:
I'll make it simple for you from this point on...
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Oh boy..

I am NEVER going to agree with you if you make any attempt to squeeze any deity or supernatural whatsoever into Science; it is not required, it is not parsimonious and saying Goddidit stifles investigation. It is besides the point that I am an atheist myself; I'll put it this way, there are many Christians that do Science but, none of them do 'Christian Science' so you are not just disagreeing with atheists, you are disagreeing with many Christians.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that if we don't know everything then we can't know anything (Hovind schtick).
I am NEVER going to agree with you that Science doesn't know everything now and so it will never know more in the future.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that Science is synonymous with Atheism. I will however agree that Science is shrinking religion as it closes the Goddidit wiggle room down and certain brands of religion are making their particular deity look very small and insignificant by adhering to fundaliteralism.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that while things can be proven in Mathematics, that that consequently means that they are proven in reality. Science uses mathematics as a language to describe reality and by close approximation to investigate it and make predictions.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that the scientific method does anything other than attempt to disprove the null hypothesis (falsifiable).
I am NEVER going to agree with you that because science modifies it's models of reality as new evidence is found; that is not a weakness, it is the strength of the method and something that religions mostly cannot or will not do.
I am NEVER going to agree with you that there is a Science Conspiracy or that disagreeing with you is somehow a part of that.
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Since none of that B.S. is my position any way, you are right you are never going to agree with me.

Since we are posting garbage that hasn'tthe slightest thing to do with the person you are paying them to...
I am NEVER going to agree with you that purple elephants made the moon out of pixistix.

But should you ever want to adress something I actually said, we can continue in an adult fashion.

I'm sure I could add more but this will do for now so unless you can come up with a compelling reason for me to contradict any of the above then save your bandwidth.
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Since none of that garbage camefrom me but from your imagination I am sure you could shovel some more bovine excrement on that pile. Don't blame me for the nonsense you pull out of your ass.

I am almost rolling on the ground laughing at you. :lamo:
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Oh boy..

Since none of that B.S. is my position any way, you are right you are never going to agree with me.

Since we are posting garbage that hasn'tthe slightest thing to do with the person you are paying them to...
I am NEVER going to agree with you that purple elephants made the moon out of pixistix.

But should you ever want to adress something I actually said, we can continue in an adult fashion.

Since none of that garbage camefrom me but from your imagination I am sure you could shovel some more bovine excrement on that pile. Don't blame me for the nonsense you pull out of your ass.

I am almost rolling on the ground laughing at you. :lamo:
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Are you are too busy rolling on the floor laughing at your own hubris to explain in precise words with definitions exactly what you point is then?
 
Re: Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists

William Rea said:
Are you are too busy rolling on the floor laughing at your own hubris to explain in precise words with definitions exactly what you point is then?
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I stated my point in the first pissy you responded to. And thus far you delivered perfectly.

You have accused me of dishonesty, of being a complete fundamentalist, of some whacko beliefs I never mentioned. Exactly as predicted. Thanks for being another statistic.
 
Re: Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists

CLAX1911 said:
I stated my point in the first pissy you responded to. And thus far you delivered perfectly.

You have accused me of dishonesty, of being a complete fundamentalist, of some whacko beliefs I never mentioned. Exactly as predicted. Thanks for being another statistic.
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I will have the last word. Bologna.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
How silly. Mercy I am worried deeply that you might not think I am credible.
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I will have the last word.
 
Re: Conservative Atheists Better than Liberal Atheists

CLAX1911 said:
Go ahead of it's that important to you I will allow it.
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You won't allow it buddy, I WILL have it.
 
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No, actually I will have the last word. Both of you are now thread banned. Anyone else want to snipe back and forth with each other?

William Rea said:
I will have the last word. Bologna.
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CLAX1911 said:
How silly. Mercy I am worried deeply that you might not think I am credible.
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