Kidnapped for Christ[W 53]

Koros said:

That doesn't mean it is the ONLY purpose.

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It's the primary purpose, and if it weren't for reproduction, it never would have developed.

Paleocon said:

It's the primary purpose, and if it weren't for reproduction, it never would have developed.

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So, I guess that means you only ever have sex with your wife/girlfriend in order to reproduce? No sex for pleasure? No oral sex? No mutual masturbation?

I saw this story. How disgusting of a parent do you have to be to have your child forcibly kidnapped, shipped to another country (where there are different rules about schools), and have your child beaten, mind-f'd and abused by these talibornagain freaks.

Child abuse, absolutely, disgusting, you bet.

Koros said:

So, I guess that means you only ever have sex with your wife/girlfriend in order to reproduce? No sex for pleasure? No oral sex? No mutual masturbation?

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I'm not married actually.

If I were I certainly wouldn't engage in any acts of sodomy or mutual masturbation. Spousal unity is *a* legitimate purpose of sex, but should not be pursued to the exclusion of procreation.

Paleocon said:

I'm not married actually.

If I were I certainly wouldn't engage in any acts of sodomy or mutual masturbation. Spousal unity is *a* legitimate purpose of sex, but should not be pursued to the exclusion of procreation.

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Ah, I see. So, it's okay to engage in sexual activities for pleasure, so long as you are straight and married. Sex is NOT just about procreation for married couples, so it's okay.

Gotcha. :roll:

Koros said:

Care to expand on that?

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They don't think parents should do what the believe right and try to save the souls of their children. Or did you understand the flick to say something else?

Paleocon said:

It's the primary purpose, and if it weren't for reproduction, it never would have developed.

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Explain please

opendebate said:

Explain please

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Reproduction is what sex accomplishes evolutionarily speaking.

Sex is pleasurable so that humans and animals would desire it.

joG said:

They don't think parents should do what the believe right and try to save the souls of their children. Or did you understand the flick to say something else?

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There is a difference between "trying to save the souls of their children" (nonsense as it is, but whatever) and kidnapping a child, sending them to a foreign country, and allowing them to be abused and cut off from the outside world.

The first is a (moronic) religious belief, the second is child abuse.

Paleocon said:

I became completely certain that the maker of the video didn't have the slightest idea what he was talking about when they made the sign of the cross.

Catholic moral theology considers sodomy worse than fornication.

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Oh yeah? Tell that to the priests...

beefheart said:

Oh yeah? Tell that to the priests...

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That's an interesting obsession liberals seem to have.

Summerwind said:

Please explain how you come to that.

Facts are facts, sodomy is more natural than religion.

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Same with masturbation....if god didn't want us to masturbate, how come our hands just happen to naturally reach our private parts? LOL

So hilarious how people can just throw out natural evolution and the development of the sex drive, etc, and try to rationalize everything around their invisible deity that lives on a cloud.

Koros said:

The first is a (moronic) religious belief, the second is child abuse.

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That would certainly seem to qualify as prejudiced opinion.

joG said:

That would certainly seem to qualify as prejudiced opinion.

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Do I think most religious beliefs are moronic and based on self-imposed ignorance? Oh, most certainly I do. However, that is really irrelevant to my point. It doesn't matter if you believe in God, Allah, Krishna, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. What Escuela Caribe is doing, with consent of people who are exercising power over a child, is tantamount to torture and abuse in my eyes. It doesn't matter WHY they are doing it, just that they ARE doing it.

BTW, the film makers didn't set out to make a documentary showing how disgusting and abusing this place was...but they became so appalled by what was happening, they documented it.

‘Kidnapped for Christ’ Review: Come Because You’re Gay, Stay For Jesus - The Daily Beast

Much of Kidnapped for Christ was filmed in 2006. At the time, Logan was a film student at the evangelical liberal arts school, Biola University, and a self-professing devout Christian. After hearing about the New Horizons Youth Ministries campus (Gordon Blossom’s NHYM operated in four locations, including a campus in Canada, two campuses in the Dominican Republic, and a U.S. campus in Marion, Indiana), Logan was granted a six-week, almost-all-access pass to interview students, talk to staff, and film many of the daily activities at Escuela Caribe.

Initially, unaware that the school was considered by many to be dangerous and abusive (alleged offenses range from mental, emotional, and spiritual manipulations to sexual and physical abuses), the up-and-coming director says she had no intentions of filming an exposé. But soon, upon meeting and interviewing David and some of the other students, and witnessing the harsh tactics used by the counselors to control teenagers and maintain a fear-driven environment—some tactics that Logan believed were abusive—her filmmaking intentions began to change. In the beginning, the staff at Escuela Caribe trusted Logan, openly answering her inquiries about the ministry’s practices and goals and allowing her to film most on-campus activities; however, a week or two into her stay, when Logan’s camera started showing up at inopportune times—for instance, once her camera appeared while a staff member disciplined a student—her access on campus was limited, her interviews with students monitored, and her personal housing moved to an off-campus facility

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As I recall it wasn't that long ago (90s maybe) that there was a big stink about some "bootcamps" and "rehab camps" that parents were forcibly sending their children to, over behavioral problems, where they were alleged to be abused, subjected to brainwashing techniques and so on.

So it isn't exclusively a religious or gay thing.

Paleocon said:

Reproduction is what sex accomplishes evolutionarily speaking.

Sex is pleasurable so that humans and animals would desire it.

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Then I don't think you have an accurate understanding of evolution. Evolution is a game of chance, there is no intent. Reproduction is one of several outcomes of a pleasure seeking behavior

Goshin said:

As I recall it wasn't that long ago (90s maybe) that there was a big stink about some "bootcamps" and "rehab camps" that parents were forcibly sending their children to, over behavioral problems, where they were alleged to be abused, subjected to brainwashing techniques and so on.

So it isn't exclusively a religious or gay thing.

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I don't think the OP is claiming that it is. I see as more of a comment on the fact that being gay is responded to in the same manner as some parents would if their kids were meth addicts or robbed a liquor store. It's not degenerate behavior

Goshin said:

As I recall it wasn't that long ago (90s maybe) that there was a big stink about some "bootcamps" and "rehab camps" that parents were forcibly sending their children to, over behavioral problems, where they were alleged to be abused, subjected to brainwashing techniques and so on.

So it isn't exclusively a religious or gay thing.

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No one said that it was. But, this documentary happens to be ABOUT a religious camp that parents send gay kids to in order to be abused...all for nothing more than being gay.

I just can't see how anyone can defend the practice.

opendebate said:

I don't think the OP is claiming that it is. I see as more of a comment on the fact that being gay is responded to in the same manner as some parents would if their kids were meth addicts or robbed a liquor store. It's not degenerate behavior

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Is it your position that meth addicts and robbers should be subject to the abuses described?

Koros said:

Do I think most religious beliefs are moronic and based on self-imposed ignorance? Oh, most certainly I do.

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Now that does sound like the religious beliefs of which you talk.

joG said:

Now that does sound like the religious beliefs of which you talk.

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Well, your sage-like non sequitur aside, do you have anything to say about the actual topic at hand?

opendebate said:

Then I don't think you have an accurate understanding of evolution. Evolution is a game of chance, there is no intent. Reproduction is one of several outcomes of a pleasure seeking behavior

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Then why does sex only exist in species which lack asexual reproduction?

Paleocon said:

That's an interesting obsession liberals seem to have.

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Excuse me....I went to Catholic school from kindergarten all through high school.

At my parish, we had a priest that got caught several times masturbating at an adult book store, had several complaints against him for abuse, so they just kept moving him from parish to parish. They finally got the guy and discovered hundreds of videotapes of him having sex with minors (Father Lan Sherwood). After he spent 14 or so years in prison, he got out, skipped parole and started raping again, he is back in prison. During this time, we had a Bishop (James Rausch) who had several complaints against him for supplying teen boys with alcohol and having sex with them. A few years later we had a priest (George Bredeman) who would take boys up to his cabin, and have them all strip naked for the time they were there, he also slept with them in sleeping bags. One kid in my neighborhood was an altar boy, after mass, he went to the back of the church, Bredeman was stark naked asking the boy to join him, he ran like hell. They finally put this creep in prison, he died a year or so ago. The principle of my high school (before I was old enough to attend), had several credible complaints of sexual abuse lodged against him, but he fled the state and conveniently died before any hearing.

Then, we had a bishop, who oversaw all these pedophiles and covered up for them. One night, after he did a mass, he was quite drunk, hit and killed a man with his car and fled. They caught him...but, of course...he never went to jail.

So excuse me if you see that I have an obsession with priests that like to rape children. Or the church that attacked anyone that claimed to be a victim, rather than turn over the priest to the police.

(and don't call me a liberal, you don't know me)