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Kidnapped for Christ[W 53]

Paleocon said:
None of that changes the fact that the very act of sodomy is unnatural. Not that it matters that much, as sodomites and fornicators both risk going to Hell.

Fundamentalism centers around the doctrine of once saved always saved. Words have meanings.

The authority of the Pope is superior to the authority of political states.
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If sodomy were unnatural,...
#1 We'd be the only species that partakes of it, we are not.
#2 There'd not be evidence of sodomy farther back than any religious texts, there are.

Since we are not the only species that partakes of homosexual anal intercourse and that form of sexuality has been around since before any current religion... you truly cannot legitimately claim that sodomy isn't natural. There may be no natural purpose to it, except perhaps reducing rapes of women and others, but it is still apparently more natural than god or religion.
 
Summerwind said:
If sodomy were unnatural,...
#1 We'd be the only species that partakes of it, we are not.
#2 There'd not be evidence of sodomy farther back than any religious texts, there are.

Since we are not the only species that partakes of homosexual anal intercourse and that form of sexuality has been around since before any current religion... you truly cannot legitimately claim that sodomy isn't natural. There may be no natural purpose to it, except perhaps reducing rapes of women and others, but it is still apparently more natural than god or religion.
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Those are both non-sequiturs.
 
Paleocon said:
Ya this isn't really much different from generic "troubled teen" camps that prey on (err generously provide services to, for a large fee) children who may have once done something they weren't supposed to, and who's parents are either gullible or wicked.

Falling headlong into the evil of the world is exactly what happens when one abandons the See of Peter.
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You should be charged with supporting child abuse rings.
 
Summerwind said:
Please explain how you come to that.

Facts are facts, sodomy is more natural than religion.
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1. That animals do something say little about human nature.

2. That people did something doesn't make it natural. Although there are recorded religious acts that occurred during the lives of the first humans, whereas this is not so for sodomy.
 
Paleocon said:
Why? Do you even think before you post?
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if you support kidnapping gay children to force them to stop being gay then you support child abuse. Since this is an organized effort it is a child abuse ring. You are as bad as those who run websites that help connect men with children in Thailand.
 
Sababa said:
if you support kidnapping gay children to force them to stop being gay then you support child abuse. Since this is an organized effort it is a child abuse ring. You are as bad as those who run websites that help connect men with children in Thailand.
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Oh I see. You don't have the foggiest idea what I actually said because for some reason you thought that simply making up what I said would be better than actually reading my post.
 
Paleocon said:
1. That animals do something say little about human nature.

2. That people did something doesn't make it natural. Although there are recorded religious acts that occurred during the lives of the first humans, whereas this is not so for sodomy.
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I'm looking at the scientific realities, not your religious insanities. Reality...the natural world involves many species of which we are just one. Of all species in our group, primates, sodomy is natural and always has been. Religion is the unnatural thing, not sodomy.

I guess because you believe in fairy tales, you seem to think human are considerably more different than other primates or even other mammals, but genetically we are not so different as to legitimately consider our "nature" as being much different from the "nature" of the world around us.

And yes, in fact doing something without instruction, just because one feels the need to do it, is the very definition of natural. Natural, not taught, nor learned, nor coerced, just natural.
 
Summerwind said:
I'm looking at the scientific realities, not your religious insanities. Reality...the natural world involves many species of which we are just one. Of all species in our group, primates, sodomy is natural and always has been. Religion is the unnatural thing, not sodomy.

I guess because you believe in fairy tales, you seem to think human are considerably more different than other primates or even other mammals, but genetically we are not so different as to legitimately consider our "nature" as being much different from the "nature" of the world around us.

And yes, in fact doing something without instruction, just because one feels the need to do it, is the very definition of natural. Natural, not taught, nor learned, nor coerced, just natural.
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Let's start with the basics, what is the primary purpose of sex?
 
Paleocon said:
Oh I see. You don't have the foggiest idea what I actually said because for some reason you thought that simply making up what I said would be better than actually reading my post.
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When you word things carelessly as you did above, you're responsible for it's incomprehension. Perhaps you should instead of trying to raise you pitiful esteem by stepping on others', you should simply attempt to rephrase what you typed so it says what you apparently intended instead of what it says as it stands now.
 
Paleocon said:
Let's start with the basics, what is the primary purpose of sex?
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Depends on who you ask. There is not a primary purpose for sex in the natural world. It happens when participants are fertile, and when they are not, therefore procreation is NOT the primary purpose though it may be the primary outcome. Since most natural animals have no clue that intercourse equates to procreation, there's no way "natural" beings could be "choosing" to procreate. Hell even today there are a hell of a lot of humans that don't seem to know that intercourse might cause babies, but they still wanna screw every chance they get. Hence procreation is not the primary reason as far as those partaking in intercourse.
 
Summerwind said:
When you word things carelessly as you did above, you're responsible for it's incomprehension. Perhaps you should instead of trying to raise you pitiful esteem by stepping on others', you should simply attempt to rephrase what you typed so it says what you apparently intended instead of what it says as it stands now.
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It clearly says that the child kidnapping industry is evil, even you could see what it meant.

Anyone could tell what it meant if they simply bothered to read it without assuming that it meant the exact opposite of what it said.
 
Koros said:
"Kidnapped for Christ" is a new documentary exposing the lengths to which evangelicals will go to "deprogram" their gay and lesbian children. The New Horizons Youth Ministry, with locations in Canada, the Dominican Republic, and Indiana, run a "school" for these individuals in the Dominican Republic. "Escuala Caribe" is the camp that gay and lesbian teens are sent to by their parents, with these children often taken by force in the middle of the night.

Reports of what occurs in that camp include everything from emotional and physical abuse to psychological torture.

Just another example of the disgusting, immoral, and illegal acts some people will go to while feeling justified because of their belief in a god.

Watch the trailer here: kidnapped
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It becomes quite clear, what the movie makers believe.
 
Summerwind said:
Depends on who you ask. There is not a primary purpose for sex in the natural world. It happens when participants are fertile, and when they are not, therefore procreation is NOT the primary purpose though it may be the primary outcome. Since most natural animals have no clue that intercourse equates to procreation, there's no way "natural" beings could be "choosing" to procreate. Hell even today there are a hell of a lot of humans that don't seem to know that intercourse might cause babies, but they still wanna screw every chance they get. Hence procreation is not the primary reason as far as those partaking in intercourse.
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I don't care about subjective answers.

What is the objective purpose of sex? If you believe in evolution the answer should be obvious.
 
Paleocon said:
It clearly says that the child kidnapping industry is evil, even you could see what it meant.

Anyone could tell what it meant if they simply bothered to read it without assuming that it meant the exact opposite of what it said.
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No problem, remain in your own dreamworld where you can do no wrong and it's everyone else's fault if you're incoherent. You're acting downright god-like
 
Paleocon said:
I don't care about subjective answers.

What is the objective purpose of sex? If you believe in evolution the answer should be obvious.
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To make one's genitals feel good/better.
 
Summerwind said:
No problem, remain in your own dreamworld where you can do no wrong and it's everyone else's fault if you're incoherent. You're acting downright god-like
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What ever you wish to babble about.
 
Summerwind said:
I'm looking at the scientific realities, not your religious insanities. Reality...the natural world involves many species of which we are just one. Of all species in our group, primates, sodomy is natural and always has been. Religion is the unnatural thing, not sodomy.

I guess because you believe in fairy tales, you seem to think human are considerably more different than other primates or even other mammals, but genetically we are not so different as to legitimately consider our "nature" as being much different from the "nature" of the world around us.

And yes, in fact doing something without instruction, just because one feels the need to do it, is the very definition of natural. Natural, not taught, nor learned, nor coerced, just natural.
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Our cranial capacity distinguishes us from other primates.
 
Paleocon said:
No it's reproduction.
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No it's not. In the natural world, the baby arrives way too late for anyone to be having sex in order to reproduce. They do it because it FEELS GOOD! The baby is just an after-effect. Those without scientific knowledge ( ie natural people ) have no clue that having sex created that baby nine months later.
 
nota bene said:
Our cranial capacity distinguishes us from other primates.
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I'm sure there's even more than that, which is regardless to my comments. Nature is full of sodomy, hence sodomy is natural. Nature is not full of religion, hence religion is not natural.
 
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