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religious arguments don't persuade?

Anarchos said:
The initial process was very painful as my faith was a central part of my life. But it has been several years and in retrospect I can certainly say walking away from religion was one of the best things I have ever done.
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I'd love to hear the evidence, then, that demonstrates the resurrection of Christ never happened.

It's like the glove OJ tried on ("If it doesn't fit you have to acquit"). So if you can't bust the resurrection you'd better get back down on your knees and pray to Jesus.
 
Logicman said:
Horse manure. Here's something to bring you down to earth.

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Great, you found a book with a complete oxymoron title.

We were talking specifically of creationism, and you take it as bashing theism as a whole. I guess they're one in the same to you. So where's you evidence the earth is 5000 years old?
 
Logicman said:
From my experience, and I feel confident the experience of some of the other believers here, there is no evidence the anti-Christ crowd in this forum will ever accept.

As for Ken Ham, once you find the truth do you ever trade it in for a lie? No, you don't. That's why he said what he did.
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Anyone who claims that there is nothing that could ever change their mind isn't actually interested in debate. They are just posturing, arrogant, fools.
 
Logicman said:
Horse manure. Here's something to bring you down to earth.

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That book is such unmitigated horse crap. Throughout the entire thing he consistently makes one argumentative fallacy after another. The only people who buy his argument are people who aren't actually interested in intellectual honesty.
 
Logicman said:
I'd love to hear the evidence, then, that demonstrates the resurrection of Christ never happened.

It's like the glove OJ tried on ("If it doesn't fit you have to acquit"). So if you can't bust the resurrection you'd better get back down on your knees and pray to Jesus.
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I'd love to hear the evidence, then, that demonstrates the resurrection of Christ happened.

You are constantly shifting the burden of proof (not that you understand what that means, or care either way.) You are like Ken Hamm. Nothing anyone says will ever change your mind, you have no concept of how argumentation works, and are not even interested in examining an issue. You constantly want others to see things your way, but refuse to even consider what other people are saying.

Quite frankly, your inability to even debate with any semblance of intellectual honesty leaves you in a position where you will lose each and every debate on this topic...which you already have.

Hell, I've been asking you for a while now to explain how your god's knowledge of every decision I am going to make in my life, before I've ever made them, means that he isn't responsible for me going to hell (that is, if such a place existed.) But, all you have done is add bumper sticker phrases to the conversation, tell me I'm a sinner who will go to hell (I know that is how you feel, and don't care), and then claim victory.

When you can start debating the other posters with honesty, and NOT just claim victory and run away when challenged, then perhaps your arguments will start to be taken seriously.
 
Logicman said:
I'd love to hear the evidence, then, that demonstrates the resurrection of Christ never happened.

It's like the glove OJ tried on ("If it doesn't fit you have to acquit"). So if you can't bust the resurrection you'd better get back down on your knees and pray to Jesus.
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Well zombies aren't well documented, so if you claim one it isnt that other people have to prove you don't have a zombie, you have to prove that you have one. There's no proof of zombie Jebus.
 
Koros said:
Anyone who claims that there is nothing that could ever change their mind isn't actually interested in debate. They are just posturing, arrogant, fools.
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I believe he was doing a debate when he said that, right?
 
Logicman said:
I believe he was doing a debate when he said that, right?
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Participating in a debate and being interested in legitimate debate are two entirely different things. Being in a debate does not make one interested in being intellectually honest or respecting the fundamentals of a debate anymore than me being in a garage makes me a car.
 
Koros said:
I'd love to hear the evidence, then, that demonstrates the resurrection of Christ happened.

You are constantly shifting the burden of proof (not that you understand what that means, or care either way.) You are like Ken Hamm. Nothing anyone says will ever change your mind, you have no concept of how argumentation works, and are not even interested in examining an issue. You constantly want others to see things your way, but refuse to even consider what other people are saying.

Quite frankly, your inability to even debate with any semblance of intellectual honesty leaves you in a position where you will lose each and every debate on this topic...which you already have.

Hell, I've been asking you for a while now to explain how your god's knowledge of every decision I am going to make in my life, before I've ever made them, means that he isn't responsible for me going to hell (that is, if such a place existed.) But, all you have done is add bumper sticker phrases to the conversation, tell me I'm a sinner who will go to hell (I know that is how you feel, and don't care), and then claim victory.

When you can start debating the other posters with honesty, and NOT just claim victory and run away when challenged, then perhaps your arguments will start to be taken seriously.
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That's just more hubris and nonsense from you.

The evidence for the resurrection has been presented in the "Evidence for God / Bible" thread (and elsewhere), and I've told you several times now that FOREKNOWLEDE IS NOT DETERMINISM. Apparently you are unable to grasp that simple proposition.
 
Koros said:
Participating in a debate and being interested in legitimate debate are two entirely different things. Being in a debate does not make one interested in being intellectually honest or respecting the fundamentals of a debate anymore than me being in a garage makes me a car.
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Hey - I don't see you as an example of someone who is interested in parking your anti-God / anti-Christ bias at the door when you enter into a debate forum.

And I've yet to see one iota of evidence that busts the resurrection. Why are you so impotent at presenting that?
 
Logicman said:
That's just more hubris and nonsense from you.
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Oh, the irony.

Logicman said:
The evidence for the resurrection has been presented in the "Evidence for God / Bible" thread (and elsewhere),
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All you've "presented" is "look, these books all make a claim that his body wasn't there....therefore, GOD!" :lamo

Logicman said:
and I've told you several times now that FOREKNOWLEDE IS NOT DETERMINISM. Apparently you are unable to grasp that simple proposition.
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Try providing an argument, not just shouting a claim. Tell me WHY foreknowledge is not determinism when applied to your god.

Apparently, you are unable to grasp the simple concept of argumentation.
 
Ikari said:
Well zombies aren't well documented, so if you claim one it isnt that other people have to prove you don't have a zombie, you have to prove that you have one. There's no proof of zombie Jebus.
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That's the kind of claptrap I've come to expect from the 'head-in-the-sand' crowd.
 
Logicman said:
Hey - I don't see you as an example of someone who is interested in parking your anti-God / anti-Christ bias at the door when you enter into a debate forum.

And I've yet to see one iota of evidence that busts the resurrection. Why are you so impotent at presenting that?
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If I was ever presented with evidence that your god or mythical messiah were real, I would convert in a heartbeat. I make my decisions based on evidence, reason, and supported claims...none of which you've been able to provide.
 
Koros said:
Oh, the irony.

All you've "presented" is "look, these books all make a claim that his body wasn't there....therefore, GOD!"
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There's a lot more than that in the thread. But you've had nothing but this kind of bs to counter it.

Koros said:
Try providing an argument, not just shouting a claim. Tell me WHY foreknowledge is not determinism when applied to your god.

Apparently, you are unable to grasp the simple concept of argumentation.
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It's a self-explanatory concept, Koros.

Just because God knows what you're going to do doesn't IN ANY WAY mean he causes you to do it. Duh.
 
Logicman said:
There's a lot more than that in the thread. But you've had nothing but this kind of bs to counter it.
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I'm not going to go digging for evidence you say is there. If there IS "a lot more than that in the thread," then link me to the relevant information. If you don't want to, fine. But, that just means you aren't interested in debate anymore than your hero, Ken Hamm.

Logicman said:
It's a self-explanatory concept, Koros. Sorry it's over your head.
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Sorry, but you saying so does not make it so.

Why is foreknowledge not determinism when applied to your god?
 
Logicman said:
That's the kind of claptrap I've come to expect from the 'head-in-the-sand' crowd.
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What? That you'd be required to show proof of claim? That' claptrap? I like how you have no way to actually address anything, so you just use idiotic deflection. Good job.

BWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"You atheists need to prove that Jesus didn't rise from the dead"

"Actually, that's an extrodinary claim in and of itself and proof falls upon the one who claims it"

"OMFGWTFBBQ!!!111one!11, look at this claptrap from the atheists. Only I can demand proof, no one else! And anyone who suggests that burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim is just head-in-the-sand crowd!!!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It would be funnier if this type of anti-thinking, anti-intellectualism, anti-educated "philosophy" wasn't choking out America.
 
Koros said:
If I was ever presented with evidence that your god or mythical messiah were real, I would convert in a heartbeat. I make my decisions based on evidence, reason, and supported claims...none of which you've been able to provide.
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Don't try that nonsense with me. There is no evidence you'll ever admit to.
 
Logicman said:
Don't try that nonsense with me. There is no evidence you'll ever admit to.
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Oh, quite the opposite, actually. I used to be a devout Catholic, then non-denominational Christian. However, the evidence, when presented to me, indicated a far greater likelihood that the Christian god doesn't exist. Thus, I changed my mind.

If you can present evidence to the contrary (which, no matter how many times you say you have, you haven't), then I'll gladly change my mind.
 
Ikari said:
What? That you'd be required to show proof of claim? That' claptrap? I like how you have no way to actually address anything, so you just use idiotic deflection. Good job.

BWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"You atheists need to prove that Jesus didn't rise from the dead"

"Actually, that's an extrodinary claim in and of itself and proof falls upon the one who claims it"

"OMFGWTFBBQ!!!111one!11, look at this claptrap from the atheists. Only I can demand proof, no one else! And anyone who suggests that burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim is just head-in-the-sand crowd!!!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It would be funnier if this type of anti-thinking, anti-intellectualism, anti-educated "philosophy" wasn't choking out America.
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Tell it to somebody who values your opinion.
 
Koros said:
Oh, quite the opposite, actually. I used to be a devout Catholic, then non-denominational Christian. However, the evidence, when presented to me, indicated a far greater likelihood that the Christian god doesn't exist. Thus, I changed my mind.

If you can present evidence to the contrary (which, no matter how many times you say you have, you haven't), then I'll gladly change my mind.
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I don't believe you were ever a Christian, and I certainly don't believe you were ever born again. Because if you had been you would have known it was real.
 
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