• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Why A Universe, Why Not Just The Earth, Sun And Moon To Support Life?

rhinefire

rhinefire

DP Veteran
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
10,388
Reaction score
3,002
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
What happened? No answer yet but from nothingness to somethingness we have what we behold as a universe with a uncountable number of theories as to what happened. Here is my answer, a mystery happened. Call it a cheap way out of trying to define what we believe is and is not but it is the best explanation I have with our getting my head bitten off in a quantum physics or religious debate. But still since we are a species capable of awareness why create this incomprehensible, incalculable "thing" we call the universe? What good is it to us? How can it benefit one single life form on Earth? Isn't it bad enough that the enormity of it tells us we may never learn what it is? What was once a perfect order is now a wild, never ending explosion with no order, no rhyme and for what reason? It is like the earth with tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. Rocks flying around crashing in to each other, stars exploding, planets crashing in to each other, quasars, black holes. Why not just an orderly Sun, Moon and Earth? No matter what, even if creation is a hologram super computer, why is everything so out of order? A "mystery" isn't it?
 
rhinefire said:
What happened? No answer yet but from nothingness to somethingness we have what we behold as a universe with a uncountable number of theories as to what happened. Here is my answer, a mystery happened. Call it a cheap way out of trying to define what we believe is and is not but it is the best explanation I have with our getting my head bitten off in a quantum physics or religious debate. But still since we are a species capable of awareness why create this incomprehensible, incalculable "thing" we call the universe? What good is it to us? How can it benefit one single life form on Earth? Isn't it bad enough that the enormity of it tells us we may never learn what it is? What was once a perfect order is now a wild, never ending explosion with no order, no rhyme and for what reason? It is like the earth with tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. Rocks flying around crashing in to each other, stars exploding, planets crashing in to each other, quasars, black holes. Why not just an orderly Sun, Moon and Earth? No matter what, even if creation is a hologram super computer, why is everything so out of order? A "mystery" isn't it?
Click to expand...

Maybe there is only a computer simulates all that out there. Maybe it takes all that out there to make you work. Maybe we will never know.
 
Before posting more such comments, why not watch a few episodes of Cosmos made by Neil deGrasse Tyson. The new series, just released. It'll illuminate a great deal for you and you will be less confused. it's a great series, honestly.
 
Rainman05 said:
Before posting more such comments, why not watch a few episodes of Cosmos made by Neil deGrasse Tyson. The new series, just released. It'll illuminate a great deal for you and you will be less confused. it's a great series, honestly.
Click to expand...

I'll second that. I haven't seen all the episodes, but I've really liked the ones I did see. What a great way to educate.
 
Why!?

Clearly you never even botherd to understand what you are talking about.
 
Maybe the universe isn't physically real, only our conscious perception of it is? And it's our consciousness that's expanding, not the actual physical universe?
 
rhinefire said:
What happened? No answer yet but from nothingness to somethingness we have what we behold as a universe with a uncountable number of theories as to what happened. Here is my answer, a mystery happened. Call it a cheap way out of trying to define what we believe is and is not but it is the best explanation I have with our getting my head bitten off in a quantum physics or religious debate. But still since we are a species capable of awareness why create this incomprehensible, incalculable "thing" we call the universe? What good is it to us? How can it benefit one single life form on Earth? Isn't it bad enough that the enormity of it tells us we may never learn what it is? What was once a perfect order is now a wild, never ending explosion with no order, no rhyme and for what reason? It is like the earth with tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. Rocks flying around crashing in to each other, stars exploding, planets crashing in to each other, quasars, black holes. Why not just an orderly Sun, Moon and Earth? No matter what, even if creation is a hologram super computer, why is everything so out of order? A "mystery" isn't it?
Click to expand...
COSMOS: A Spacetime Odyssey
 
grip said:
Maybe the universe isn't physically real, only our conscious perception of it is? And it's our consciousness that's expanding, not the actual physical universe?
Click to expand...

Jaden-Smith-CNO-006227.jpg
 
Jerry said:
COSMOS: A Spacetime Odyssey
Click to expand...

First off it should be titled "Cosmos II" because that is what it is. Second, it cannot answer "why" because the answer is not known and may never be known. My post was a question asks by many. As far as the television series goes the ratings are quite low and I think it may be because it does not pose any new questions and is more a history lesson with cartoons. Carl Sagan probably would not have appreciated such a weak attempt to stimulate theoretical physicists and their followers. These physicists are among the most intelligent people on Earth but have no answers and that is why it is exciting as well as frustrating.
 
I think there is order, when seen on a large scale. Clouds seen from a distance have an apparent shape and an apparent boundary. Move in closer and it becomes discreet droplets, swirling changing eddies that never remain the same. It's one of the strange paradoxes of the universe that order or structure is formed at a very high level, while at the foundation there is randomness, chaos.

Of course you do realize that the earth is made of carbon and other metals, which could not have been formed unless stars existed before, which sequenced and made the atomic elements through nuclear fusion. Stars are 'machines' that convert hydrogen and helium, the primordial elements, into all other elements through nuclear fusion. But this extends only up to about iron in the periodic table, beyond which all elements were made by supernova. Only supernova has the energy to force the neutrons and protons together to make heavier elements. That is why all this had to happen first, and with such great energy, before WE could exist.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom