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Do you distrust atheists?

X Factor said:
I don't know many atheists in RL so this has to be based mainly on my experiences here and in my experience I don't see self professed atheists as being any more dishonest, or whatever, than anyone else. In fact, there are atheists here that I would trust more than some of my fellow believers. I, honestly, truly and sincerely do not think that not believing in God must mean you are an immoral, untrustworthy person. That has not been my experience at all.
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Once they're past college age they're for the most part just like anyone else.
 
jimbo said:
Then I would have a different set of morals.

What's your point?
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Let us know if you decide murder is acceptable. We'd like to avoid you if you do.
 
LowDown said:
Let us know if you decide murder is acceptable. We'd like to avoid you if you do.
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The problem with this statement is that it does not recognize the difference between "murder" and "killing". There are most likely places where many of us would consider the killing of a person in a way that is deemed "murder" to be acceptable, such as killing in self-defense. Plus, there are places where killings that we consider "murder" are considered justifiable killings.
 
I wouldn't hold a lack of belief in delusion against anyone, that would just be strange.

I also don't believe most politicians who feign faith, because they have to in this electorate of adults who still have a Santa.
 
roguenuke said:
The problem with this statement is that it does not recognize the difference between "murder" and "killing". There are most likely places where many of us would consider the killing of a person in a way that is deemed "murder" to be acceptable, such as killing in self-defense. Plus, there are places where killings that we consider "murder" are considered justifiable killings.
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Murder has by definition always meant criminal killing, killing forbidden by law. Calling a murder mere killing is tantamount to deeming murder acceptable. Like I said, let us know so we can avoid you. (Of course, telling us would defeat the whole purpose of being a morality unto yourself, which is to take people who rely on the traditional prohibitions on criminal activity by surprise.)
 
LowDown said:
Let us know if you decide murder is acceptable. We'd like to avoid you if you do.
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I won't be deciding that, so no worry.

Again, I have a strong set of personal morals, based on my belief of what's right and wrong. You asked what happens if I alter my morals? Answer: I have a different set of morals. Now that makes me believe murder is acceptable? Why?

I have less respect and confidence in the moral beliefs of those who get their morals from someone else than from within.

There is more smiten and smoten going on in the world today and in earlier history in the name of religion than by avowed atheists.
 
jimbo said:
I won't be deciding that, so no worry.

Again, I have a strong set of personal morals, based on my belief of what's right and wrong. You asked what happens if I alter my morals? Answer: I have a different set of morals. Now that makes me believe murder is acceptable? Why?

I have less respect and confidence in the moral beliefs of those who get their morals from someone else than from within.

There is more smiten and smoten going on in the world today and in earlier history in the name of religion than by avowed atheists.
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Gosh, you guys keep trying to forget all those millions of people killed by their own officially atheistic governments all over the world back in the last century.

But not to worry. The rest of us won't forget.

I have no faith in your "strong set of personal morals". Sorry. My study of human nature tells me that sort of thing isn't worth a crap.
 
LowDown said:
Let us know if you decide murder is acceptable. We'd like to avoid you if you do.
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let me know if god commands you to kill any one you don't like or maybe some one you do you never know with that one
 
LowDown said:
Murder has by definition always meant criminal killing, killing forbidden by law. Calling a murder mere killing is tantamount to deeming murder acceptable. Like I said, let us know so we can avoid you. (Of course, telling us would defeat the whole purpose of being a morality unto yourself, which is to take people who rely on the traditional prohibitions on criminal activity by surprise.)
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Hence the issue with your statement. Just because a certain type of killing is considered murder in this country, killing against that violates the law, does not mean that same type of killing is considered murder in another country. A country's laws determine whether something is murder or not, not the morals of the person doing the killing. So that is why it is wrong to make such a baseless comment about how you should avoid someone who believes murder is moral/okay. It is not inconceivable that many would consider certain "murders" completely morally accepted if they were in a different country and the laws of that country said that it was murder to do something that we viewed as perfectly acceptable, such as killing someone in self defense.

Heck, the Bible says certain kinds of killings are not only morally acceptable but in fact the morally right thing to do. Many of those same killings we would call murder now.
 
roguenuke said:
The problem with this statement is that it does not recognize the difference between "murder" and "killing". There are most likely places where many of us would consider the killing of a person in a way that is deemed "murder" to be acceptable, such as killing in self-defense. Plus, there are places where killings that we consider "murder" are considered justifiable killings.
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This is why I have said that there are indeed universal morals, but their application is not always universal. I can't think of one religion or society that does not have some prohibition against murder, yet it is not unusual to see exceptions to acts that would otherwise be murder. Such as if it is a non-citizen or a one who doesn't follow that particular religion.
 
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