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When was it decided wrong to think you know better than someone?

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Not sure if this is the right forum, but its a rough philosophical question. Even though I admittedly present it as a bit of a diatribe.

There is a popular sentiment on this forum that I strongly question. That is the idea that everyone can make their own best personal decisions and that relying on expertise or experienced judgment is somehow an affront to human dignity.

While it is true that nobody knows your situation like you, the idea of a person knowing the best solution to their own problems is simply not demonstrated in practice. If it were true, then we would all know how to be rich, have an adonis like body, have no personal or emotional issues, have simply the most amazing friends, find the perfect mate, and be as perfectly healthy as our genes would allow us to be. In my experience so far in this life, i know of exactly 0 people in this situation, so we need to seriously rethink this position.

The simple truth is that everyone has a ton of problems that they don't know what to do about. The other simple truth is that what is hard for one person to do might be trivial for another. For example, I very much doubt I could successfully engineer optimal traffic patterns for stop lights in even a small town without significant training. Right now I am dealing with a health issue that its taken me six months just to figure out what might be wrong. I am constantly trying to devise ways to increase my income, while some are great at it. Etc. We all live in a world where there are people around all of us that simply know better than us on any number of subjects.

So what's wrong with leveraging this expertise? What is so offensive about the idea that you might have to yield to greater experience or ability? We do it all the time. I am good with people, but my boss is GREAT at managing people and I rely on him a lot for example. I am somewhat organized but my SO is extremely organized. Simply being human is not an affront to dignity, its simply recognizing that a single person is finite and usually extremely limited (we can maybe do 1% or 1% of all possible things in our current society well) and as a group we can leverage another's expertise and ability.

Given this, there is nothing wrong with being in a society that is regulated, so long as those regulations are sensible and open enough that we don't have to all march to the same drummer, which can very much stifle positive group and individual dynamics. This is actually a positive because together we can do much much more. And a society that creates rules (and yes the enforcement of those rules) based on past experiences is an ok thing for the same reasons. Sure it means we might have to give up a few things that might not meet our ideal, but again because we are limited and we don't always know best for ourselves, we typically gain more then we lose.

There is something to be said for being part of a society that isn't a minarchy, we gain a lot from it and strengthen our individual weaknesses in ways I don't think many people care to realize.
 
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Not sure if this is the right forum, but its a rough philosophical question. Even though I admittedly present it as a bit of a diatribe.

There is a popular sentiment on this forum that I strongly question. That is the idea that everyone can make their own best personal decisions and that relying on expertise or experienced judgment is somehow an affront to human dignity.

While it is true that nobody knows your situation like you, the idea of a person knowing the best solution to their own problems is simply not demonstrated in practice. If it were true, then we would all know how to be rich, have an adonis like body, have no personal or emotional issues, have simply the most amazing friends, find the perfect mate, and be as perfectly healthy as our genes would allow us to be. In my experience so far in this life, i know of exactly 0 people in this situation, so we need to seriously rethink this position.

The simple truth is that everyone has a ton of problems that they don't know what to do about. The other simple truth is that what is hard for one person to do might be trivial for another. For example, I very much doubt I could successfully engineer optimal traffic patterns for stop lights in even a small town without significant training. Right now I am dealing with a health issue that its taken me six months just to figure out what might be wrong. I am constantly trying to devise ways to increase my income, while some are great at it. Etc. We all live in a world where there are people around all of us that simply know better than us on any number of subjects.

So what's wrong with leveraging this expertise? What is so offensive about the idea that you might have to yield to greater experience or ability? We do it all the time. I am good with people, but my boss is GREAT at managing people and I rely on him a lot for example. I am somewhat organized but my SO is extremely organized. Simply being human is not an affront to dignity, its simply recognizing that a single person is finite and usually extremely limited (we can maybe do 1% or 1% of all possible things in our current society well) and as a group we can leverage another's expertise and ability.

Given this, there is nothing wrong with being in a society that is regulated, so long as those regulations are sensible and open enough that we don't have to all march to the same drummer, which can very much stifle positive group and individual dynamics. This is actually a positive because together we can do much much more. And a society that creates rules (and yes the enforcement of those rules) based on past experiences is an ok thing for the same reasons. Sure it means we might have to give up a few things that might not meet our ideal, but again because we are limited and we don't always know best for ourselves, we typically gain more then we lose.

There is something to be said for being part of a society that isn't a minarchy, we gain a lot from it and strengthen our individual weaknesses in ways I don't think many people care to realize.

Whether one does or does not subscribe to the Christian faith, the New Testament clearly teaches that we will not all have the same spiritual gifts or be assigned the same ministries and I am pretty sure few would quarrel with that. I easily extrapolate that to my belief that everybody is born with certain inate gifts/talents/abilities or whatever you wish to call it; some have aptitude to develop their gifts, talents, and abilities to a greater extent to others, and still others have sufficient desire to excel at something that others simply don't seem to have that same ambition.

I believe that is the way God made us. For the non-believers, it is just as easy to believe that is what nature intended. It is just the fact of the way things are.

So yes, if I need advice on a medical condition, I don't call my plumber. If I have a plumbing problem, I don't call my doctor. I figure those who were eye witnesses to an event or who have conferred with first responders or eye witnesses or whatever will have a better handle on what happened than those who were less hands on. And I believe we all have our own genius to enjoy or share with the world and everybody will know more about something or be better at something than everybody else they know. And we'll always be better at everything than at least somebody else is and there will always be somebody better at everything than we are.

None of us can do everything well and none of us know all there is to know about anything.

So yes. We are fools if we do not benefit from gifts, talents, abilities, knowledge, expertise when we need it and others offer it. And hopefully others will benefit from what we have to offer.
 
My signature kind of gives my answer for this, everyone has their job that they know more at than others, pile everyone up on the same bandwagon and hopefully Humanity will start progressing at an extremely fast rate.
 
My signature kind of gives my answer for this, everyone has their job that they know more at than others, pile everyone up on the same bandwagon and hopefully Humanity will start progressing at an extremely fast rate.

Just curious, do you a thing for Nazi Germany's Air Force or just FW190's?
 
My signature kind of gives my answer for this, everyone has their job that they know more at than others, pile everyone up on the same bandwagon and hopefully Humanity will start progressing at an extremely fast rate.

This can be demonstrated as untrue. Most of my job is stuff my boss is an expert at and could easily do better than I could. I know the job of my subordinates better than they do as well.

In my personal life, I seek points of view from another all the time. Especially over my finances by people who are far better at it than I am.

We all have various responsibilities but that doesn't mean that we are actually good at performing them or know what's best. I very much doubt there is anyone alive who doesn't routinely make mistakes that a more experienced person can easily avoid.
 
My signature kind of gives my answer for this, everyone has their job that they know more at than others, pile everyone up on the same bandwagon and hopefully Humanity will start progressing at an extremely fast rate.

But the driver on that bandwagon better be competent at his/her job and know where he is going, or all that experience, ability, and expertise is wasted.

The most competent leaders/managers know what their limitations are and will recruit the best people who can compensate for that. But humans being what they are, leaderless teams can sometimes get it done, but will almost always get it done better if they defer to a great manager who knows what the goal is and recognizes and utilizes the best people to get there.
 
It's a result of voluntarism, the idea that the will is the superior part of the human mind, and as such any restrictions on the exercise of the will must be minimized to that which is absolutely necessary.

If we would return to a Thomistic realist understanding of reality and realize that the intellect and not the will is the superior part of the mind, people wouldn't get in such a huff over the idea that others might know better than them.
 
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