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US Christians Profoundly Anti-Christian

Crovax said:
Waterboaring isn't torture
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Yeah, we'll I'm still waiting on Sean Hannity to make good on his promise to be waterboarded to prove that it isn't torture. I guess we shouldn't hold our breath. :lamo
 
Removable Mind said:
I find it interesting that the number of those who are Christian don't qualify to lecture others about what it is or isn't.
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...was that supposed to be a sentence with meaning, or was it just one of those "I don't have anything to say, so I'm going to repeat what you just said, but in a snide voice, as if that's a come-back" comebacks?

Christ certainly teaches us to forgive others, including those who do us harm. But He did not teach (nor did he practice) pacifism. :) Remember when someone asks you "what would Jesus do", that throwing tables and chairs and beating folks with bullwhips is within the realm of possible answers :D
 
calamity said:
Consider it an objective outsider's viewpoint.
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Ah. Well, you are incorrect. :) Forgiveness does not require passivity. I can forgive my enemy.... and then kill him. Or, if need be, stop him from killing anyone else.
 
cpwill said:
Ah. Well, you are incorrect. :) Forgiveness does not require passivity. I can forgive my enemy.... and then kill him. Or, if need be, stop him from killing anyone else.
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Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

…43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…
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calamity said:
Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
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No doubt. However, again, prayer does not require passivity. Forgiving your enemy does not forestall opposing and even killing him. It may indeed even make you more effective at doing so, as you've cleared out the anger and pride that could have caused you to stumble and misjudge. It will definitely make you a better interrogator.

For Example:

...Christian theory of the just war begins with Augustine of Hippo[8] and Thomas Aquinas.[9]

Augustine of Hippo, generally considered one of the first and greatest Christian theologians, was one of the first to assert that a Christian could be a soldier and serve God and country honorably. He claimed that, while individuals should not resort immediately to violence, God has given the sword to government for good reason (based upon Romans 13:4). Christians as part of government should not be ashamed to protect peace and punish wickedness.[citation needed]

Augustine asserted that this was a personal, philosophical stance:

"What is here required is not a bodily action, but an inward disposition. The sacred seat of virtue is the heart."[10]

Nonetheless, he asserted, peacefulness in the face of a grave wrong that could only be stopped by violence would be a sin. Defense of one's self or others could be a necessity, especially when authorized by a legitimate authority:

"They who have waged war in obedience to the divine command, or in conformity with His laws, have represented in their persons the public justice or the wisdom of government, and in this capacity have put to death wicked men; such persons have by no means violated the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill." [11]

While not breaking down the conditions necessary for war to be just, Augustine nonetheless originated the very phrase, itself, in his work The City of God:

"But, say they, the wise man will wage just wars. As if he would not all the rather lament the necessity of just wars, if he remembers that he is a man; for if they were not just he would not wage them, and would therefore be delivered from all wars." [12]

Many give reference of Augustine's theological virtues towards the leader's primary messenger, Grant Ethiticus. Common stories from the time tell that Ethiticus was a brave warrior that fought for the weak under the grace of God (many believe him to be the foundations for the Robin Hood). His motto that has stretched many centuries quoted:

"May I, under seige of our Lord, dare to spill the blood of misery's allies. Strength to my bones and unto my brow shall decide my fate; God-willing, I shall prevail![13]....
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Or, if you prefer Biblical reference: Psalm 144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.


There is even Patron Saint of the Infantry: Saint Maurice. :)
 
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Crovax said:
Waterboaring isn't torture
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Prove it. Post a video of yourself being waterboard for as long as was done to the USA's detainees. No big deal right?
 
Christians are willfully ignorant, for the most part. They've made being right and having the last word more important than winning souls.

I don't know the last time I heard from one who believed that "God is love."
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You have as much credibility discussing Christianity as a Klansman has discussing African American heritage.
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If the Klansman brings facts to the table, why would he not be credible? Facts have no bias. But, facts are often the enemy of those relying on dogma.
 
Sykes said:
Christians are willfully ignorant, for the most part. They've made being right and having the last word more important than winning souls.

I don't know the last time I heard from one who believed that "God is love."
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I had that at the last Christian service I went to. A friend's wedding.

It started with "God is love" but then quickly went to the purpose of marriage is Children, the couple being married were in their 40's. And that marriage is between a man and a woman. The gay couple in the congregation I bet felt the love of God at that point and that the love of God does not extend to having women as bishops!

Remember God is love!
 
Bob Blaylock said:
If pigs had wings, why couldn't they fly?
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I'd have no qualms debating about Israel with a Nazi, as long as only facts are used when making the argument. Same rule applies to debating a Christian.

There are countless quotes from Christ which suggest Christians should love their enemies and turn the other cheek and give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give up earthly possessions to follow him. I know of no quotes from Christ which say torture your enemies. However, that cannot be said about the O/T.

Maybe America's Christians are really more interested in following the Old Testament than Jesus Christ?
 
calamity said:
If the Klansman brings facts to the table, why would he not be credible? Facts have no bias. But, facts are often the enemy of those relying on dogma.
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“Facts”, even absent outright lies, can certainly be presented in a selective, biased manner, to support one side of an argument that a complete, unbiased presentation would refute. This is the concept associated with the word “propaganda”.

The fact remains that you have consistently, repeatedly expressed extreme hatred and contempt for Christianity. You have no credibility on which to claim to present any unbiased “facts” on the subject.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I had that at the last Christian service I went to. A friend's wedding.

It started with "God is love" but then quickly went to the purpose of marriage is Children, the couple being married were in their 40's. And that marriage is between a man and a woman. The gay couple in the congregation I bet felt the love of God at that point and that the love of God does not extend to having women as bishops!

Remember God is love!
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The song "just as I am" is beginning to feel like a mockery. I bet they even refer to those who don't believe exactly as they do "Christians in name only." Just like the entire Republican party (except the tea party lot, of course.)
 
Bob Blaylock said:
“Facts”, even absent outright lies, can certainly be presented in a selective, biased manner, to support one side of an argument that a complete, unbiased presentation would refute. This is the concept associated with the word “propaganda”.
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There is nothing wrong with having an opinion or bias and debating those points, even if the facts you present are skewed in favor of your position. After all, the person on the other side of the debate has the same ability to present facts in support of his position. Debaters are not neutral. :roll: Sheesh.

The fact remains that you have consistently, repeatedly expressed extreme hatred and contempt for Christianity. You have no credibility on which to claim to present any unbiased “facts” on the subject.
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I don't care. Prove me wrong with facts. I am successfully proving that "Christians" are more closely following the Old Testament than the teachings of Jesus Christ while you whine about my bias.
 
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