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Only 30% of children raised atheist stay atheist.

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Your atheism isn't going to keep your kids from believing in God - Vox

It is an interesting study, if not a particularly intellectual article.

It would be interesting to see this same study in 5 years time. Most of those who left religion appear to have come from Catholicism, but I am sensing the new Pope is drawing a lot of people to Catholicism again.

I think the final paragraph is a bit odd and seems to draw the opposite conclusion of the study.
 
jmotivator said:
Your atheism isn't going to keep your kids from believing in God - Vox

It is an interesting study, if not a particularly intellectual article.

It would be interesting to see this same study in 5 years time. Most of those who left religion appear to have come from Catholicism, but I am sensing the new Pope is drawing a lot of people to Catholicism again.

I think the final paragraph is a bit odd and seems to draw the opposite conclusion of the study.
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Because Catholicism is just a religion. Catholicism is the greatest scam of all time, anyone that studies the bible knows that Catholicism does not even follow the bible. it is the greatest fraud of all time.

every one knows that a relationship with God is not a religion.
 
I do not think Atheists try to raise their kids to be Atheists....it is actually more a LACK of indoctrination than the use of it.
 
votemout said:
Because Catholicism is just a religion. Catholicism is the greatest scam of all time, anyone that studies the bible knows that Catholicism does not even follow the bible. it is the greatest fraud of all time.

every one knows that a relationship with God is not a religion.
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It was the sex scandal in Boston that triggered the exodus in the US.
 
tecoyah said:
I do not think Atheists try to raise their kids to be Atheists....it is actually more a LACK of indoctrination than the use of it.
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Maybe. But it is interesting that if atheist families don't really discuss the non-existence of God with their kids, or discuss God at all, that kids seem to go seeking God anyway 70% of the time.
 
By 200%, people raised with no religion are more likely to become Budhists than the next leading religion. Depending on the flavor or Budhism, it can be a non-theistic religion.
 
jmotivator said:
I think the final paragraph is a bit odd and seems to draw the opposite conclusion of the study.
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The author misinterpreted the data. The Pew survey shows what % of the current adults were raised in that religion, not the numbers of how/where they moved.

Meaning that of current atheists, 54% converted to atheism and 46% were raised atheist. That 46% that were raised atheist could mean that 100% of the atheist kids stayed atheist and there was this mass religious de-conversion (thus deflating the "raised" category); or it could mean that only 5% of atheist kids stayed and there were only a few converts to atheism (thus inflating the "raised" category). All we gleam from the data is the current makeup. Unfortunately we can't get much about the movement.
 
votemout said:
Because Catholicism is just a religion. Catholicism is the greatest scam of all time, anyone that studies the bible knows that Catholicism does not even follow the bible. it is the greatest fraud of all time.

every one knows that a relationship with God is not a religion.
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False. And I'll provide you with just as much evidence as you did to prove the position.
 
jmotivator said:
It would be interesting to see this same study in 5 years time. Most of those who left religion appear to have come from Catholicism, but I am sensing the new Pope is drawing a lot of people to Catholicism again.
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Catholic parishes are doing an awful job raising children in the faith. Most make it into their 20's never having heard what the Catechism is. It's astounding how terrible catechesis has become.
 
brothern said:
The author misinterpreted the data. The Pew survey shows what % of the current adults were raised in that religion, not the numbers of how/where they moved.

Meaning that of current atheists, 54% converted to atheism and 46% were raised atheist. That 46% that were raised atheist could mean that 100% of the atheist kids stayed atheist and there was this mass religious de-conversion (thus deflating the "raised" category); or it could mean that only 5% of atheist kids stayed and there were only a few converts to atheism (thus inflating the "raised" category). All we gleam from the data is the current makeup. Unfortunately we can't get much about the movement.
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Not exactly. The Pew study doesn't actually cover atheists with that much clarity. Only 10% of the Unaffiliated are atheists, so any movement in the other 90% of the Pew study can really be attributed to Atheists in particular. It was the other study that determined that on 30% of children raised in an atheist family remain atheist. That isn't to say that they join an organized religion, just that they come to believe in a higher power.
 
phattonez said:
False. And I'll provide you with just as much evidence as you did to prove the position.
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It's always fun to watch someone try to take down Catholicism using the book that the Catholics assembled.
 
jmotivator said:
Maybe. But it is interesting that if atheist families don't really discuss the non-existence of God with their kids, or discuss God at all, that kids seem to go seeking God anyway 70% of the time.
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I think that's the default to most people in general. People seem to have the need to rationlize the things they don't understand with a God. Ancient cultures did it, the Greeks did it, people of today do it.

I'm agnostic in the sense that I think there is "something" out there that could be contrued as a God or God(s), but I think mankind rationlizing it into a religion misses the point of existence.
 
jmotivator said:
It's always fun to watch someone try to take down Catholicism using the book that the Catholics assembled.
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The bold is the key there and why I don't follow any of the major religions. I think religions were made for control and power and assembling a religious book accomplishes that quite well.
 
TheNextEra said:
The bold is the key there and why I don't follow any of the major religions. I think religions were made for control and power and assembling a religious book accomplishes that quite well.
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Yeah it really served Christians well for the first 300 years of their existence. :roll:
 
Can we please differentiate between raising a child in a secular home and raising a kid to explicitly be an atheist?
 
phattonez said:
Yeah it really served Christians well for the first 300 years of their existence. :roll:
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Didn't say it did, but that is what it is used for now. At it's creation, the stories in the bible were handpicked to be about control and power.
 
TheNextEra said:
I think religions were made for control and power and assembling a religious book accomplishes that quite well.
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Maybe we need religion precisely so as to control people. Men aren't inherently good.
 
TheNextEra said:
Didn't say it did, but that is what it is used for now. At it's creation, the stories in the bible were handpicked to be about control and power.
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Then it failed miserably for centuries if that was the intent.
 
TheNextEra said:
The bold is the key there and why I don't follow any of the major religions. I think religions were made for control and power and assembling a religious book accomplishes that quite well.
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But then according to protestants, they don't even follow it! Moreover, they allowed half of the book to be assembled by another religion entirely! They really need to work on their control game... :2razz:

What is common known today as the Bible began as the Vulgate, a uniform Latin translation of the collected works of Holy Scripture in 382 AD. The collection old Old and New Testaments were long believed to be the word of God, but it wasn't until the act of creating a uniform translation of all the works that they became what we think of today as a single book. It was/is essentially the Encyclopaedia Britannica of Holy Christian Scripture.

The Catholic Church uses the book as just that, a reference. It is the most important book of the Church, but not the only book. Many of the other writings and scripture the church hold as important involve the formation of the Church after the death of the Apostles, as well as earlier works not seen as from God. These books are considered as less than Holy Books because the Church held that God's direct intervention in the world ended with the sacrifice of Jesus and the death of his direct apostles. So the Bible is seen as the direct word of God, while the other books are more just ancient church history. Some are believed to be valid, documented history, and some are contained in the Apocrypha, or works that could not be authenticated.
 
TheNextEra said:
Didn't say it did, but that is what it is used for now. At it's creation, the stories in the bible were handpicked to be about control and power.
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Not only not true, but logically broken. In fact, most of the terrible power that we attribute to the Church that we think of today was in direct contradiction to that very same scripture. Had they set out to create a book that gave them great power they probably shouldn't have compiled a book that told them to be nice to those who oppose them and not to kill people.
 
Fiddytree said:
Maybe we need religion precisely so as to control people. Men aren't inherently good.
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That's merely religious self-justification. Men can be good or bad. It takes religion to make good men do bad things.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That's merely religious self-justification. Men can be good or bad. It takes religion to make good men do bad things.
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I'm not much of a believer in anything. I just think it properly restrains enough people.
 
Fair enough, but didn't Neitzsche say something about Christianity's painting the world as ugly and bad making the world ugly and bad? If you set out expecting men not to be good, then they'll live down to that expectation.
 
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