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Money Or Love?

rhinefire

rhinefire

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Don't dribble on with "If this or if that". Simply think about the question then answer with either "money" or "love".
 
Love.
 
Money, without a doubt. I ddin't even need to finish reading the first post to have the answer. Love doesn't really exist, and even if it did, it's value is variable and transient in many, if not most cases. The value of monetary wealth is much greater and much longer lasting, if properly managed.
 
rhinefire said:
Don't dribble on with "If this or if that". Simply think about the question then answer with either "money" or "love".
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Money.

Life is very difficult without enough money to buy necessities. Love is not enough. So, if my choice is to have only friendships in exchange for enough money to live a decent life? I'll take the money. It doesn't take "love" to have a wonderful life. Some people go their whole lives without having that special someone. And, although someone may love you? They may be a destructive force in your life. Love is not the be-all-end-all romance novels describe. With enough money, I can live very comfortably and help others. I think I could make do with that.
 
Money.....and Sangha, called it Right!
 
Money? seriosly? You greedy bastards! Single? Orphaned? Sociopaths?

Without love, money has no purpose. After almost dying from cancer I view the world quite differently these days. Add to that watching loved ones die and seeing that material items are completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things, I find money being of zero worthiness compared to love. Case in point: I would give all of my money, property, the clothes off my back to spend a evening with my Mom. Love is what is important. Money is disposable and replaceable, with artificial values that mean nothing when compared to the integrity of love.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Money? seriosly? You greedy bastards! Single? Orphaned? Sociopaths?
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REALISTS.

FreedomFromAll said:
Without love, money has no purpose. After almost dying from cancer I view the world quite differently these days. Add to that watching loved ones die and seeing that material items are completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things, I find money being of zero worthiness compared to love. Case in point: I would give all of my money, property, the clothes off my back to spend a evening with my Mom. Love is what is important. Money is disposable and replaceable, with artificial values that mean nothing when compared to the integrity of love.
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After watching both sets of my grandparents die, and much more intimately watching my father wither away and die from Cancer; combined with my own inter-personal experiences over the last 4 decades, I've learned that there is nothing of value to be gained from getting that attached to another person, EVER. I find love to be of no value whatsoever. It is no help when that person betrays your trust or moves on with their own life. It's not worth it. At least money, properly invested brings a return. Love does not.
 
sangha said:
Sounds like someone is afraid of being emotionally hurt.
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I've been hurt enough times over the years both physically and emotionally that I have no interest in going down either of those roads ever again. That's why I don't have friends. I have acquaintances. I try to put some distance between myself and my remaining family members as well. We are not very close at all, anymore. The only one who is even remotely close to being "inside my walls" is my fiance. Outside of that, it's a strictly business-like world for me.
 
Tigger said:
REALISTS.



After watching both sets of my grandparents die, and much more intimately watching my father wither away and die from Cancer; combined with my own inter-personal experiences over the last 4 decades, I've learned that there is nothing of value to be gained from getting that attached to another person, EVER. I find love to be of no value whatsoever. It is no help when that person betrays your trust or moves on with their own life. It's not worth it. At least money, properly invested brings a return. Love does not.
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I suppose if one is self centered and has trust issue (as it sounds that you do) then one could think that money is important since it seems to fill the void. But tell me what happens when your investments go sour? Realists dont hid behind money or anything. BTW love is actually a real thing: its a function of brain activity as shown by science. FMRI's can see the region in the brain that is active during love. If you have no love in your life then either you are lying to yourself or have a desease of some sort that has damaged the functionality of your brain. But then it sounds like you really love money. SO I just think that you are not being honest and believe that joining the bandwagon in this thread of money grubbing jestors is cool.
 
rhinefire said:
Don't dribble on with "If this or if that". Simply think about the question then answer with either "money" or "love".
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Probably love. Passionate love is not a necessity for me, however passionate love is not the only form of love. What about compassionate love? Altruism, mercy, pity, charity, voluntaryism. All of those are examples of compassionate love, and without them we would be nowhere. Without love, nothing would stop me from murdering someone for personal gain. Without love, nothing would stop someone else from murdering me for personal gain(which does happen, but on a rarity) Without love, the idea that people are sovereign and take ownership of their life and their bodies would not exist. Freedom would not exist. Life without money would be uncomfortable, life without love would be meaningless. Love is life itself.
 
Tigger said:
I've been hurt enough times over the years both physically and emotionally that I have no interest in going down either of those roads ever again. That's why I don't have friends. I have acquaintances. I try to put some distance between myself and my remaining family members as well. We are not very close at all, anymore. The only one who is even remotely close to being "inside my walls" is my fiance. Outside of that, it's a strictly business-like world for me.
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That is your choice. A bad choice, IMO, but your choice.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I suppose if one is self centered and has trust issue (as it sounds that you do) then one could think that money is important since it seems to fill the void. But tell me what happens when your investments go sour? Realists dont hide behind money or anything.
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I don't have any trust issues at all. Mostly because I DON'T trust anyone, anymore. I've made that mistake in the past and paid rather dearly for it. Doing the same thing multiple times and expecting different results is the definition of INSANITY.

When the monetary investments go sour, then I move on to the one last investment.... A single round of 230 grain .45ACP +P with a hollowpoint. It goes up underneath the chin with a slight rearward tilt, and fixes everything instantly and permanently.

FreedomFromAll said:
BTW love is actually a real thing: its a function of brain activity as shown by science. FMRI's can see the region in the brain that is active during love. If you have no love in your life then either you are lying to yourself or have a desease of some sort that has damaged the functionality of your brain.
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What I have is a severe case of "My Give a Damn is Busted". It's been caused by almost 40 years of watching everyone and everything that I've ever cared for or cared about leave (one way or another) or fail. It's been battered by tens of thousands of looks, whispers, and sometimes even overt comments over four decades. It's been torn to shreds by comments like "I'd rather date and mate with my DOG than someone who looks like you!!!" I've seen the blackness that drips from the hearts and minds of human beings, and so far as I'm concerned there's nothing there to love or be loved.

FreedomFromAll said:
But then it sounds like you really love money. SO I just think that you are not being honest and believe that joining the bandwagon in this thread of money grubbing jestors is cool.
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No, I don't "really love money". I'd like to have more of it than I do, but that's life. I do understand that emotions CAN be replaced with things and with activities. Unfortuantely those things and activities cost money. Therefore I find money a more useful tool in dealing with life than emotional garbage like love is.
 
Love is very painful, isn't it... I suppose life could be less painful if we didn't insist on becoming to attached to flawed, finite organic matter.

And more painful and less enjoyable if we didn't have loved ones to share things with. At this moment, my loved one volunteered and is cooking dinner. I love him now, because I know he also has Cadbury Creme Eggs about his person and I love chocolate more than a lot of things.

I like money a lot, but it doesn't always give independence or freedoms. It can be tying. Sometimes all it gives is work and no time or energy.

Love...I don't see every day family bonds as love exactly. They are intrinsic, part of you not a choice, it is inbuilt.

Independence, time and freedom...autonomy..
 
Tigger said:
I don't have any trust issues at all. Mostly because I DON'T trust anyone, anymore. I've made that mistake in the past and paid rather dearly for it. Doing the same thing multiple times and expecting different results is the definition of INSANITY.

When the monetary investments go sour, then I move on to the one last investment.... A single round of 230 grain .45ACP +P with a hollowpoint. It goes up underneath the chin with a slight rearward tilt, and fixes everything instantly and permanently.
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Not trusting anyone is a trust issue. Suicide over finacial losses is a cowards fairwell. It also shows that one has too much faith in money as the solution to lifes woes.


What I have is a severe case of "My Give a Damn is Busted". It's been caused by almost 40 years of watching everyone and everything that I've ever cared for or cared about leave (one way or another) or fail. It's been battered by tens of thousands of looks, whispers, and sometimes even overt comments over four decades. It's been torn to shreds by comments like "I'd rather date and mate with my DOG than someone who looks like you!!!" I've seen the blackness that drips from the hearts and minds of human beings, and so far as I'm concerned there's nothing there to love or be loved.
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Hmm I see your point, perhaps you shuold investigate that hallow point. But before you do that you should realize that no matter what you have been through someone else went through something worse and kept their head up and kept trying. Most likely they were abler to do that because of love of some sort (even if it is love for themself).


No, I don't "really love money". I'd like to have more of it than I do, but that's life. I do understand that emotions CAN be replaced with things and with activities. Unfortuantely those things and activities cost money. Therefore I find money a more useful tool in dealing with life than emotional garbage like love is.
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Throwing money at objects to subsitute love is going to end with that hallowpoint.

You sound a tad bit insecure and immature for being 40 something. Perhaps you should seek some help or get laid or something?
 
rhinefire said:
Don't dribble on with "If this or if that". Simply think about the question then answer with either "money" or "love".
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What if you love money?
 
Damn Ikari, I was about to say that.
 
For a few bucks (money), you can go to the pound and buy someone who doesn't just love you - they adore you.

So - MONEY.
 
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