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Could Christ Really be Satan

calamity said:
Except Christ does not fit that which is foretold in the scripture.
Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus, why Jews reject Jesus
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As I predicted;
X Factor said:
He's fully free to reject every argument that Jesus is not actually Satan, (and he will, you and I both know that).
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You didn't ask for any further explanation on my part because you're not actually interested in what anyone else has to say. I've wasted enough of my time on your bait and bash thread. Have fun.
 
calamity said:
For someone who believes in God as defined by the Ten Commandments, Christ may simply be a dirty trick played on man by Satan to anger God. Instead of messiah, Christ maybe is Satan.

First, by getting the Christians to pray to Jesus and create all those graven images of him, the Cross, mother Mary and even the manger, Satan succeeds in getting about a billion humans to violate the first---and, assumedly greatest--commandment, tho shall worship no other gods.

As if that's not bad enough...Satan does one better. He makes it such that the idol, Christ, can (apparently with a wave of the magic hand) forgive man of any bad act, including repeated violations of all the other commandments, just as long as they promise to accept him, Jesus (who's probably Satan in disguise) as their one and only savior. After all, who but the arrogant fallen angel would ever say that you can only reach God by going through him?

Isn't that exactly the kind of trick Satan would play on man?
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By God! He is a tricky devil, isn't he?
 
ChrisL said:
I thought he was just joking.
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Not that poster. I'll show you what I mean, but not here (and not now, it's definitely past time I logged off for awhile).
 
pssshhhhh

satans biggest trick WILL be getting everyone believing HE is GOD.

you should read the last book
 
X Factor said:
Well said Humbolt, with one minor disagreement with your last line. He's fully free to reject every argument that Jesus is not actually Satan, (and he will, you and I both know that).
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Very true. However, if he is to cite one commandment while ignoring the entirety of the rest of the religious content, his conclusion hardly merits serious religious consideration. Yeah. It's a bait thread to trash Christianity - specifically Christians - and it doesn't belong in this forum.
 
humbolt said:
Very true. However, if he is to cite one commandment while ignoring the entirety of the rest of the religious content, his conclusion hardly merits serious religious consideration. Yeah. It's a bait thread to trash Christianity - specifically Christians - and it doesn't belong in this forum.
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Oh you're right. I didn't even realize this was in the "religious" forum. This thread should be flushed soon.
 
calamity said:
I didn't call him Satan. I put forth a hypothesis that he maybe could be, and I presented an argument supporting it.

Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies---that's why the NT insists that he's coming back.
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Right, you started this thread because you are truly concerned, you didn't mean to offend anyone. :roll:

It looks like the closest thing Satan has to this thread is friendship with the author.
 
calamity said:
Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies. That's one reason why Jews don't accept him as Messiah.

Here are a few more:
Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus, why Jews reject Jesus
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This is not news. Jews also don't accept Christian Biblical texts in which prophesy explains events yet to come, i.e., the continuing unfolding described in the New Testament. This could explain why Jews are Jews, and Christians are Christians. Translational disputes will likely never be resolved for obvious reasons.
 
X Factor said:
First demonstrable lie by you.



I expect there will be many more to follow.
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So what is it called when you deliberately ignore the word "probably"?
 
votemout said:
pssshhhhh

satans biggest trick WILL be getting everyone believing HE is GOD.

you should read the last book
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The NT may be the root of the problem.

From the source I linked above:
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
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calamity said:
For someone who believes in God as defined by the Ten Commandments, Christ may simply be a dirty trick played on man by Satan to anger God. Instead of messiah, Christ maybe is Satan.

First, by getting the Christians to pray to Jesus and create all those graven images of him, the Cross, mother Mary and even the manger, Satan succeeds in getting about a billion humans to violate the first---and, assumedly greatest--commandment, tho shall worship no other gods.

As if that's not bad enough...Satan does one better. He makes it such that the idol, Christ, can (apparently with a wave of the magic hand) forgive man of any bad act, including repeated violations of all the other commandments, just as long as they promise to accept him, Jesus (who's probably Satan in disguise) as their one and only savior. After all, who but the arrogant fallen angel would ever say that you can only reach God by going through him?

Isn't that exactly the kind of trick Satan would play on man?
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Oh boy. That's easily debunked.

Jesus, for one thing, did not instruct us to make images of crosses or of any other images of anyone, including Himself. You've got to read the Bible.

Furthermore, if Jesus was Satan, He wouldn't have taught us The Lord's Prayer - which is a direct prayer to our Father, God CREATOR. How many times had it been written that Jesus prayed directly to God?

Of course, you also have to consider His teachings. They're all consistent with the OT.
 
X Factor said:
I thought this forum wasn't supposed to be about religion bashing. Anyone who thinks the OP is actually interested in a genuine and respectful discussion of beliefs (he clearly has no tolerance for) is unrealistic.
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I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. The OP shows though that the poster has no knowledge of the Bible at all, or the teachings of Jesus - that's awfully clear.

Answering the OP wouldn't hurt...but I don't think it's worth bothering to have any farther argument with him. That would be like debating with a kindergarten about politics.
 
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joG said:
By God! He is a tricky devil, isn't he?
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That's what they say. So, why then should we not question it when suddenly an angel like being appears telling us we must ignore the first two commandments and go only through him to get to God (very Satanic sounding, if you ask me), especially when the promise is that in exchange for worshiping him, he will forgive you all your sins?
 
tosca1 said:
I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. The OP shows though that the poster has no knowledge of the Bible at all, or the teachings of Jesus - that's awfully clear.

Answering the OP wouldn't hurt...but I don't think it's worth bothering to have any farther argument with him. That would be like debating with a kindergarten about politics.
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Feel free to argue against the four main reasons jews give to deny Christ is the Messiah, and cite for us where in the original Torah it says that it is permissible to ignore the first two commandments by creating a god-man and other images.
 
tosca1 said:
Oh boy. That's easily debunked.

Jesus, for one thing, did not instruct us to make images of crosses or of any other images of anyone, including Himself. You've got to read the Bible.

Furthermore, if Jesus was Satan, He wouldn't have taught us The Lord's Prayer - which is a direct prayer to our Father, God CREATOR. How many times had it been written that Jesus prayed directly to God?

Of course, you also have to consider His teachings. They're all consistent with the OT.
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Teaching the Lord's prayer might just be Satan doing his usual...giving us a choice: eat the apple, don't eat the apple. It could be that way with worshiping Jesus instead of just praying to God.

Remember--Satan loves God, covets God's love actually. He just hates man, wants to prove to God man is unworthy of him.
 
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calamity said:
Teaching the Lord's prayer might just be Satan doing his usual...giving us a choice: eat the apple, don't eat the apple. It could be that way with worshiping Jesus instead of just praying to God.

Remember--Satan loves God, covets God's love actually. He just hates man, wants to prove to God man is unworthy of him.
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Why do you hate Jesus. What evil acts did he do anyway? If he was a minion of Satan, he would have had to do SOMETHING evil.
 
humbolt said:
This is not news. Jews also don't accept Christian Biblical texts in which prophesy explains events yet to come, i.e., the continuing unfolding described in the New Testament. This could explain why Jews are Jews, and Christians are Christians. Translational disputes will likely never be resolved for obvious reasons.
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Herein lies the true issue, IMO. Modern translations of the Old Testament as well as the entire writing of the New one fly in the face of what came before: the Torah, specifically the first five books of what we call the Bible.

It's pretty clear that what came later is different, much different than the original "word of God." Forgiving sins, I would think, was created out of whole cloth.
 
calamity said:
Feel free to argue against the four main reasons jews give to deny Christ is the Messiah, and cite for us where in the original Torah it says that it is permissible to ignore the first two commandments by creating a god-man and other images.
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First, show me where in the New Testament does it say that Jesus approved of making images? Prove that you know what you're on about.
 
ChrisL said:
Why do you hate Jesus. What evil acts did he do anyway? If he was a minion of Satan, he would have had to do SOMETHING evil.
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Is it not evil to convince billions that worshiping him, accepting him as savior, will exempt them from Gods Law, leading to forgiveness of all sins and the breaking of commandments?
 
calamity said:
Teaching the Lord's prayer might just be Satan doing his usual...giving us a choice: eat the apple, don't eat the apple. It could be that way with worshiping Jesus instead of just praying to God.

Remember--Satan loves God, covets God's love actually. He just hates man, wants to prove to God man is unworthy of him.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.....based on what I've explained above. Here, read this again:

Jesus, for one thing, did not instruct us to make images of crosses or of any other images of anyone, including Himself. You've got to read the Bible.

Furthermore, if Jesus was Satan, He wouldn't have taught us The Lord's Prayer - which is a direct prayer to our Father, God CREATOR. How many times had it been written that Jesus prayed directly to God?

Of course, you also have to consider His teachings. They're all consistent with the OT.
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Where's the green apple choice? All He taught was pointing towards the Father! THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE!
 
calamity said:
Herein lies the true issue, IMO. Modern translations of the Old Testament as well as the entire writing of the New one fly in the face of what came before: the Torah, specifically the first five books of what we call the Bible.

It's pretty clear that what came later is different, much different than the original "word of God." Forgiving sins, I would think, was created out of whole cloth.
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I don't think you have even a clue about the subject. Forgiveness of sins is addressed as early as Genesis, if you actually bother to read and understand it. Sorry. I'm out of here.
 
calamity said:
Is it not evil to convince billions that worshiping him, accepting him as savior, will exempt them from Gods Law, leading to forgiveness of all sins and the breaking of commandments?
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Well, you would have to have some evidence that he was intentionally lying to people, and I don't believe any such evidence exists.
 
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