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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

Manny said:
I don't go to church either, I view it as just another fallible human institution. But I don't criticize those who do, obviously. Just that it's something I personally don't need. Nor do I completely trust the church, having read the history of the catholic church and the abominations it is responsible for. But that is largely in the past. On a local level, the corner church, there is not much to criticize.

A secular state is not all bad if it encourages tolerance and freedom of religious expression. A secular state where religious symbols of any kind are not PERMITTED, as we're seeing emerge in some places now, is one gone too far. Extremism, left or right, liberal of conservative always leads to problems. My overall concern with secularism is, we risk diminishing the value of human beings, especially the value of the individual. If secular society excludes moral aspects in its considerations, people are nothing more than an extension of the economy. Then moral judgements are made based on material worth. The rights of the great will exceed the rights of the small. Morality is an essential part of social engineering, to preserve true justice. It cannot be left to go adrift on its own.

That's why I still believe modern Christianity is the most evolved religion there is, because it upholds these core values, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, equality and protection of the most vulnerable. I don't see those embodied as fundamental values anywhere else.
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I don't criticize people for just going to church. I do criticize people though for being so stubborn about their beliefs that they insist that others are wrong and have to live by their beliefs because they believe that God did something with nothing more than either a book or a religious leader telling them so.

The problem is that religious symbols are allowed, when they are personal property or when they serve some other purpose in what they are there for. They are not allowed as an expression of religion in a way that appears to be government endorsement of that religion or, worse, where such symbols are there to try to basically bully others into accepting that Christianity or some other religion is the dominant religion of that area and so in that government (as is the case in many of the cases we see now).

Secular society doesn't exclude morality completely. It simply says that certain general morals pertaining to rights and freedom are more important than specific morals that come from religious texts or even just a set of beliefs.

It doesn't matter how much modern Christianity may be evolved. It still doesn't make those beliefs right or dominant or in a position where they should be able to place rules on other for simply believing "this is God's word/way".
 
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