Is Christianity under attack in modern America?

RGacky3 said:

Ok ... Thats a Red Herring ... my point still stands, you couldn't defend Your positions if your life depended on it ... you can't engage in biblical discussion if your life depended on it, much less actually make a biblical argument.

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That's garbage.

Cephus said:

No, I'm saying I don't give a damn what the Bible says because the Bible has not been demonstrated to be a reliable book. I don't really care what anyone believes, I only care what they can demonstrate to be actually true. Faith is not a virtue. It's not something people should be proud of. If that's all you've got to support a belief, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. You cannot find actual reality by having blind faith.

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What does that mean "Cannot find reality by having blind faith?" Reality? Define reality? Are you talking about what happens in front of your face? That reality? Because faith isn't required to find that. You can observe it with your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, touch...and all that. I am all ears for this explanation...well...eyes.

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What do you mean the Bible is not a reliable book? It is a book. You don't have to believe it to observe it. Certainly you don't think it is an apparition that we Christians carry around? Like an air guitar? It has words. You can read what is written in those books. Just like a Sherlock mystery novel. Or an encyclopedia. In fact just like both of those...it contains references to very real places and ideas. Things that are valuable for cultural studies, history, and actually during WW1 a secret path that resulted in a British victory in the Middle East somewhere.

stonewall50 said:

What does that mean "Cannot find reality by having blind faith?" Reality? Define reality? Are you talking about what happens in front of your face? That reality? Because faith isn't required to find that. You can observe it with your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, touch...and all that. I am all ears for this explanation...well...eyes.

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Reality is that thing that still actually exists when you stop believing in it. It is the factual existence that we all demonstrably share, that can be tested, examined and objectively evaluated. Yeah, that thing.

What do you mean the Bible is not a reliable book? It is a book. You don't have to believe it to observe it. Certainly you don't think it is an apparition that we Christians carry around? Like an air guitar? It has words. You can read what is written in those books. Just like a Sherlock mystery novel. Or an encyclopedia. In fact just like both of those...it contains references to very real places and ideas. Things that are valuable for cultural studies, history, and actually during WW1 a secret path that resulted in a British victory in the Middle East somewhere.

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You have to believe in it to accept a great many things written in the book as factually true, many of them are wholly undemonstrable and many of them are completely disproven but that doesn't tend to stop the blindly faithful. Sherlock Holmes is a fictional story. It never actually happened, just like the majority of the Bible. Just because Sherlock Holmes lived in England and you can prove England is real, that doesn't have any bearing on Sherlock and his cases. You can spin this any way you want, tossing out strawmen about cultural studies and history, but since we're talking about the actual contents of the book being factually true, those really don't matter.

So yes, try again.