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Honer and pride

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Honor and pride - could someone make the clear distinction for me, please. What's the difference and what is the similarities? Are they good or bad?

Thanks in advance. :beer:
 
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Honor speaks more about one's personal integrity, and doesn't necessarily imply pride. Pride may or may not be based on actual honor.
 
Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Honor is a positive thing.
 
Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Honor is a positive thing.

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Honor and pride - could someone make the clear distinction for me, please. What's the difference and what is the similarities? Are they good or bad?

Thanks in advance. :beer:
Depends on how they're used, I guess.

We can lift someone up and "honor" them for accomplishments, character, etc. That's one kind.
There's the "honor" in standing up for things one considers a virtue - iow, virtue = honor = virtue when one seeks or goes after what one values or highly esteems.

Honor can be either good or bad inasmuch as it's a subjective praise bestowed, either by oneself on oneself, or by others on them. If we think of honoring someone for their accomplishments say, whether the honor is good or bad would be a function of the goodness or badness of the accomplishments themselves. Bad people can feel or bestow honor on one another for accomplishments others would deem bad or evil (the Nazi SS felt and bestowed honor for their deeds in WWII for example). On the other hand, society has honored people like Mother Theresa for entirely different accomplishments. Thieves might honor their own, if their accomplishments (thefts) were done well, but dishonor them if they weren't. It boils down to what one does and how well they do it iaw the particular standards of what is "good" for such deeds.

Example: Marine's code of honor:
Honor: Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. A U.S. Marine must never lie, never cheat, never steal, but that is not enough. Much more is required. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs. And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.

W/r to Pride, there's "good" pride and "bad" pride.
"Bad" pride is what we generally refer to as an elevated (often overly elevated) sense of one's own worth or self-esteem, elevated beyond what others might consider reasonable. It'd be the opposite of being humble. Bad pride is thinking more highly of oneself than they ought.
"Good" pride is more the sense of satisfaction we get for things we've done or said. A humble person can still feel a sense of "good" pride. Some might even equate contentment (ala satisfaction) with "good" pride.
Other types of pride involve a sense of "belonging" or "identity" - we can feel pride being fans of a particular team, citizens of a particular nation, members of a certain racial group or ethnicity, etc. Not sure if one could necessarily categorize this sort of pride as good or bad; I guess it would depend on that for which the group stands and/or how well the group as a whole adheres to broader societal norms. Such senses of belonging or identity usually tend to be comparative with similar types of groups, and that usually with an elevated sense that "I/we are better than you/they" by virtue of our identity. Racism, sexism, etc. are examples of this type of "pride of identity." I suppose for some it can be "good" pride for those who are satisfied vicariously with their group's accomplishments (if such accomplishments are themselves "good") -- e.g. their team wins the Super Bowl, their group wins a prestigious award, etc..

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There may be different kinds of pride, along with different definitions for the term.

Pride goeth before a fall.

That's why I opened this thread. :)
May be we could say a word or two about dignity too as in relation to honor and pride?
 
That's why I opened this thread. :)
May be we could say a word or two about dignity too as in relation to honor and pride?

I think perhaps the sort of pride that goes before a fall is really false pride, "I'm the greatest, you're all beneath me and so not worth my time" sort of pride. Real pride is based on accomplishments, on acheivements. Honor is standing up for what is right and keeping your word even when it hurts to do so. An honorable person will never cheat or steal, even when no one is going to ever find out. An honorable person is proud of being honorable. Dignity? I'm not sure whether that is related, but maybe.
 
I think dignity is the state or condition of being worthy of an honor bestowed by others. It can also refer to one's deportment (e.g. "acting dignified") - acting in a manner commensurate with bestowed honor or deserving of honor. We refer to "dignitaries" as such by virtue of the honor the position they hold merits.

In the military we were to salute all officers - not necessarily the man but definitely the uniform - thereby acknowledging the honor the office deserved. Who wore the uniform was expected to wear it in a dignified manner - acknowledging the honor due it - or honoring the honor it merits by their behavior.

If, for example the office of the President of the United States of America is a position, an office worthy of honor, the holder of that office ought to comport himself in accordance with the honor the office merits, thereby honoring the honor it merits, acknowledging by their behavior that the office they hold is worthy of such honor. Selfies with Scandanavian babes at a funeral do not qualify. They DIShonor the office with undignified behavior, thereby communicating their disdain for any honor others may have for it.
 
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