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What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

The Baron

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This topic came up a few weeks ago in a discussion I was having regarding my rather useless son-in-law (I have nick-named him “Left”…’cause he ain’t “right”).

Anyway, it was noted in this discussion that my idiot son-in-law really has no idea of what it means to be a “man” and since I’m a “man’s-man” then I owed it to my son-in-law to teach him how to be a "man".

I found this to be a rather interesting proposition since, frankly, I am under no obligation to teach him anything (and I don’t particularly care for his company, either. Let’s face it, his favorite TV show is Spongebob and he is 31 years old. We really have nothing in common except for my daughter).

However, this proposition has given me pause and actually think about what it means to be a man. For me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before and so now I find myself attempting to define what it means to be a “man”.

It does strike me that it’s rather obvious when you have a “grown child” (i.e. my son-in-law) vs. of a "man". It's easy to identify or even define a "grown child". But how do you define a "man"?

For examples of my son-in-laws idiocy, please consider:

1. my son-in-law's word means nothing. If he tells you he will do something you can not rely on it.

2. he is unable to keep a job. He and my daughter have been married about seven years and I really couldn’t tell you how many jobs he has lost during that time. Certainly more than I can count using all my fingers and toes!

3. he has no boundaries in my home. He thinks nothing of ransacking my pantry for food or my personal belongings to see if there is something that he can borrow (DVDs, etc.). I view this as incredibly disrespectful.

4. he recently borrowed our truck and got into an accident. I realize that accidents happen but he returned the truck for me to pay to have repaired.

5. He is a high-school drop-out who has squandered every opportunity. He won’t get his GED making the excuse that he doesn't study or test well (Remember Henry Ford’s quote? “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right).

Obviously if you take the opposite of each of the traits my son-in-law has exhibited in the examples I have cited above then you certainly begin to define my idea of a “man”.

I would also add that since men are generally stronger than women it is their job to protect / defend women and not dominate them.

I will also add one more caveat to my definition of man before turning this discussion over. To be a “man” you have to, as a minimum, be born a male. Regardless of what you may try to convince yourself, sex-change surgeries do not make you a man. It makes you a rather confused woman.

So how do you define a “man”?
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

How do I define a man?
A male - who is mature beyond the likes of an 18 year old party-going teen still living at home and still in school.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Well maybe a real man wouldn't have raised a daughter who would marry such a loser. Remove the mote from your own eye.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Well maybe a real man wouldn't have raised a daughter who would marry such a loser. Remove the mote from your own eye.

I did.

Sadly kids end-up having minds of their own.

They're a lot like people that way.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Well maybe a real man wouldn't have raised a daughter who would marry such a loser. Remove the mote from your own eye.

Well there you go. That solves everything!!:roll:
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

I don't think your son in law has issues being a man so much as he has issues taking personal responsibility as an adult.

Your little dig at post-op trans people at the end is not only ignorant, I don't really see why it was necessary.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Well maybe a real man wouldn't have raised a daughter who would marry such a loser. Remove the mote from your own eye.

Despite your best intentions and effort your kids can wind up doing really stupid things.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

This thread is pretty much a rant by you about how much you hate your son-in-law.

Answering the topic, there's no correct way to be a "man". Being a man is a genetic trait and nothing more. Anything further than that is just living up to what is expected of you culturally (i.e: cultural & social norms).
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

This topic came up a few weeks ago in a discussion I was having regarding my rather useless son-in-law (I have nick-named him “Left”…’cause he ain’t “right”).

Anyway, it was noted in this discussion that my idiot son-in-law really has no idea of what it means to be a “man” and since I’m a “man’s-man” then I owed it to my son-in-law to teach him how to be a "man".

I found this to be a rather interesting proposition since, frankly, I am under no obligation to teach him anything (and I don’t particularly care for his company, either. Let’s face it, his favorite TV show is Spongebob and he is 31 years old. We really have nothing in common except for my daughter).

However, this proposition has given me pause and actually think about what it means to be a man. For me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before and so now I find myself attempting to define what it means to be a “man”.

It does strike me that it’s rather obvious when you have a “grown child” (i.e. my son-in-law) vs. of a "man". It's easy to identify or even define a "grown child". But how do you define a "man"?

For examples of my son-in-laws idiocy, please consider:

1. my son-in-law's word means nothing. If he tells you he will do something you can not rely on it.

2. he is unable to keep a job. He and my daughter have been married about seven years and I really couldn’t tell you how many jobs he has lost during that time. Certainly more than I can count using all my fingers and toes!

3. he has no boundaries in my home. He thinks nothing of ransacking my pantry for food or my personal belongings to see if there is something that he can borrow (DVDs, etc.). I view this as incredibly disrespectful.

4. he recently borrowed our truck and got into an accident. I realize that accidents happen but he returned the truck for me to pay to have repaired.

5. He is a high-school drop-out who has squandered every opportunity. He won’t get his GED making the excuse that he doesn't study or test well (Remember Henry Ford’s quote? “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right).

Obviously if you take the opposite of each of the traits my son-in-law has exhibited in the examples I have cited above then you certainly begin to define my idea of a “man”.

I would also add that since men are generally stronger than women it is their job to protect / defend women and not dominate them.

I will also add one more caveat to my definition of man before turning this discussion over. To be a “man” you have to, as a minimum, be born a male. Regardless of what you may try to convince yourself, sex-change surgeries do not make you a man. It makes you a rather confused woman.

So how do you define a “man”?

I'm guessing you're going to have a hard time teaching him anything. At 31 unless he wants to change it ain't happening.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

This topic came up a few weeks ago in a discussion I was having regarding my rather useless son-in-law (I have nick-named him “Left”…’cause he ain’t “right”).

Anyway, it was noted in this discussion that my idiot son-in-law really has no idea of what it means to be a “man” and since I’m a “man’s-man” then I owed it to my son-in-law to teach him how to be a "man".

I found this to be a rather interesting proposition since, frankly, I am under no obligation to teach him anything (and I don’t particularly care for his company, either. Let’s face it, his favorite TV show is Spongebob and he is 31 years old. We really have nothing in common except for my daughter).

However, this proposition has given me pause and actually think about what it means to be a man. For me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before and so now I find myself attempting to define what it means to be a “man”.

It does strike me that it’s rather obvious when you have a “grown child” (i.e. my son-in-law) vs. of a "man". It's easy to identify or even define a "grown child". But how do you define a "man"?

For examples of my son-in-laws idiocy, please consider:

1. my son-in-law's word means nothing. If he tells you he will do something you can not rely on it.

2. he is unable to keep a job. He and my daughter have been married about seven years and I really couldn’t tell you how many jobs he has lost during that time. Certainly more than I can count using all my fingers and toes!

3. he has no boundaries in my home. He thinks nothing of ransacking my pantry for food or my personal belongings to see if there is something that he can borrow (DVDs, etc.). I view this as incredibly disrespectful.

4. he recently borrowed our truck and got into an accident. I realize that accidents happen but he returned the truck for me to pay to have repaired.

5. He is a high-school drop-out who has squandered every opportunity. He won’t get his GED making the excuse that he doesn't study or test well (Remember Henry Ford’s quote? “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right).

Obviously if you take the opposite of each of the traits my son-in-law has exhibited in the examples I have cited above then you certainly begin to define my idea of a “man”.

I would also add that since men are generally stronger than women it is their job to protect / defend women and not dominate them.

I will also add one more caveat to my definition of man before turning this discussion over. To be a “man” you have to, as a minimum, be born a male. Regardless of what you may try to convince yourself, sex-change surgeries do not make you a man. It makes you a rather confused woman.

So how do you define a “man”?
Based on what I've seen you type over the years, I sure hope he is resistant to any of your teachings.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

So how do you define a “man”?

Generally I don't.

Looking over your list I don't really see you defining what it mean to be a man either.

All of the traits you illustrate (by giving examples of how your son-in-law doesn't demonstrate them) are traits of being an adult.

It doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman or a post-op transsexual, an adult is honest, reliably, responsible, respects other people and their possessions, makes the most out of opportunities they're provides, and etc...

The closest you come is when you say that a man defends/protects women, but again I think that's more an adult trait then a man trait.

Adults protect and defend people who are smaller/weaker then themselves.

I guess the best definition for a "man" is a male adult who actually behaves like a grown up.

Obviously, at least by your description of the guy, your son-in-law is a child trapped in an adult male's body.

I agree that he's certainly not a man.

He's not even a woman.
 
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re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Well, first you will start to notice girls, and then hair will start to grow in funny places...


This topic came up a few weeks ago in a discussion I was having regarding my rather useless son-in-law (I have nick-named him “Left”…’cause he ain’t “right”).

Anyway, it was noted in this discussion that my idiot son-in-law really has no idea of what it means to be a “man” and since I’m a “man’s-man” then I owed it to my son-in-law to teach him how to be a "man".

I found this to be a rather interesting proposition since, frankly, I am under no obligation to teach him anything (and I don’t particularly care for his company, either. Let’s face it, his favorite TV show is Spongebob and he is 31 years old. We really have nothing in common except for my daughter).

However, this proposition has given me pause and actually think about what it means to be a man. For me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before and so now I find myself attempting to define what it means to be a “man”.

It does strike me that it’s rather obvious when you have a “grown child” (i.e. my son-in-law) vs. of a "man". It's easy to identify or even define a "grown child". But how do you define a "man"?

For examples of my son-in-laws idiocy, please consider:

1. my son-in-law's word means nothing. If he tells you he will do something you can not rely on it.

2. he is unable to keep a job. He and my daughter have been married about seven years and I really couldn’t tell you how many jobs he has lost during that time. Certainly more than I can count using all my fingers and toes!

3. he has no boundaries in my home. He thinks nothing of ransacking my pantry for food or my personal belongings to see if there is something that he can borrow (DVDs, etc.). I view this as incredibly disrespectful.

4. he recently borrowed our truck and got into an accident. I realize that accidents happen but he returned the truck for me to pay to have repaired.

5. He is a high-school drop-out who has squandered every opportunity. He won’t get his GED making the excuse that he doesn't study or test well (Remember Henry Ford’s quote? “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right).

Obviously if you take the opposite of each of the traits my son-in-law has exhibited in the examples I have cited above then you certainly begin to define my idea of a “man”.

I would also add that since men are generally stronger than women it is their job to protect / defend women and not dominate them.

I will also add one more caveat to my definition of man before turning this discussion over. To be a “man” you have to, as a minimum, be born a male. Regardless of what you may try to convince yourself, sex-change surgeries do not make you a man. It makes you a rather confused woman.

So how do you define a “man”?
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

However, this proposition has given me pause and actually think about what it means to be a man. For me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before and so now I find myself attempting to define what it means to be a “man”.


For examples of my son-in-laws idiocy, please consider:

1. my son-in-law's word means nothing. If he tells you he will do something you can not rely on it.

2. he is unable to keep a job. He and my daughter have been married about seven years and I really couldn’t tell you how many jobs he has lost during that time. Certainly more than I can count using all my fingers and toes!

3. he has no boundaries in my home. He thinks nothing of ransacking my pantry for food or my personal belongings to see if there is something that he can borrow (DVDs, etc.). I view this as incredibly disrespectful.

4. he recently borrowed our truck and got into an accident. I realize that accidents happen but he returned the truck for me to pay to have repaired.

5. He is a high-school drop-out who has squandered every opportunity. He won’t get his GED making the excuse that he doesn't study or test well (Remember Henry Ford’s quote? “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right).

Obviously if you take the opposite of each of the traits my son-in-law has exhibited in the examples I have cited above then you certainly begin to define my idea of a “man”.
You don't know what you are talking about.

If you let some dude run roughshod over you, **** your daughter (and probably your wife too), wreck your truck, take your DVDs etc. and you do nothing about it except name call on the internet when he is not looking... I'm sorry, you are not the man. You are nothing but his little bitch.

He is very clearly the dominant male in the relationship, not you.
 
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re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you let some dude run roughshod over you, **** your daughter (and probably your wife too), wreck your truck, take your DVDs etc. and you do nothing about it except name call on the internet when he is not looking... I'm sorry, you are not the man. You are nothing but his little bitch.

He is very clearly the dominant male in the relationship, not you.

No. Right or wrong, You can't get too hard with family members over a certain age or they leave and never come back. The ahole would take TB's daughter and grand kids with him.

That doesn't mean you have to take it, but there's a lot more to it than throwing him out the door sideways.
 
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re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

First of all don't listen to any advice from Leftists. He's probably some sort of hero to them.

KICK the POS and your daughter (if she prefers being poor) to the curb. Eventually if she's got any sense at all, she will see the light and dump his sorry ass.

(raise two myself, one with sense and the other who's working on it) :)
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

I don't think your son in law has issues being a man so much as he has issues taking personal responsibility as an adult.

Your little dig at post-op trans people at the end is not only ignorant, I don't really see why it was necessary.

There is no “dig”. Getting a mastectomy, taking hormones, etc. does NOT make you a man.

Period.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

This thread is pretty much a rant by you about how much you hate your son-in-law.

Answering the topic, there's no correct way to be a "man". Being a man is a genetic trait and nothing more. Anything further than that is just living up to what is expected of you culturally (i.e: cultural & social norms).

Nobody is "ranting" and I don't hate my idiot son-in-law. But the issue of being a "man" came up and I'm wondering how people define being one.

That is what this thread is about.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

I'm guessing you're going to have a hard time teaching him anything. At 31 unless he wants to change it ain't happening.

I completely agree and I haven't agreed to teaching him anything yet.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Based on what I've seen you type over the years, I sure hope he is resistant to any of your teachings.

Yea, 'cause keeping your word, working hard, supporting your family and acting with integrity are all horrible things that I've supported over the years.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you let some dude run roughshod over you, **** your daughter (and probably your wife too), wreck your truck, take your DVDs etc. and you do nothing about it except name call on the internet when he is not looking... I'm sorry, you are not the man. You are nothing but his little bitch.

He is very clearly the dominant male in the relationship, not you.

Where did I say I "allowed" him to do any of those things.

When I find that such things are taking place I address them.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

I guess there's a lot of things that go into being a man. One of them is raising your children right so they don't end up marrying a child.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

We must be swift as a roaring river,

with all the strength of a great typhoon,

as mysterious as the dark side of, the MOON!!!!
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Yea, 'cause keeping your word, working hard, supporting your family and acting with integrity are all horrible things that I've supported over the years.
Unfortunately, he should learn those things either on his own or from someone else. To do so with you would likely steep him in all manner of other unmanly traits that I've seen you present on this site. Most being in the realm of trying too hard to prove you're oh so tough and "manly". The idea that any of those traits are what makes a "man," as opposed to woman or even a child as though men's values are somehow better... is the first thing I hope he doesn't learn from you.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Generally I don't.

Looking over your list I don't really see you defining what it mean to be a man either.

Like I said in my post, for me, it’s rather inherent and nothing I ever really had to put into words before.

Obviously, at least by your description of the guy, your son-in-law is a child trapped in an adult male's body.

I agree that he's certainly not a man.

He's not even a woman.

Yes. He is a child.
 
re: What does it mean to be a "man"? [W40]

Where did I say I "allowed" him to do any of those things.

When I find that such things are taking place I address them.
Howso?

Did you kick his ass and chase him away?

Or is he still ****ing your daughter?
 
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