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Is It Time To Worship God For The Science Of Creation vs. Gospels?

WCH said:
Probably not but, it's the first notion that popped into my head. ;)

Must of been subliminal?
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I get that, but they have different rules in here.
 
I took it to mean DP and this particular forum's rules.
 
WCH said:
It's in the wrong forum then because it seems critical of religion.

BTW: When have you 'held my hand' on anything?
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Then report it.
 
rhinefire said:
My point starting this thread is the works of God as we are taught are here say compounded by rumor and nothing more in the form of highly questionable scribbling's. To "worship" God for the fables in the bible is an insult to what is actually created. Idiots only believe the world was created in six days and fools deny the existence of dinosaurs. Do you have pictures of Adam and Eve? I have pictures of the universe! Why not put down your comic book and appreciate God for what IS instead of what someone wrote and re-interpreted 100 times 2000 plus years ago. The gospels are a contradictory collection of unproven myths. Do you love you parents and children for what someone has SAID they are or for what you KNOW them to be? Trash Christianity with all it's history of human slaughter and deceit and turn to what is your world around you. I can prove what God did you can prove nothing with your little black book. Nothing!!
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Believe it or not, I as someone who believes the bible to be infallible, agree with you in some measure. The "little black book" sometimes appears to becomes the item of worship for some. In disagreement though, I would say you have discounted the possibility that the writers of scripture were inspired by God. Surely a God who can create all that is can inspire men to communicate important truths.
 
Jayhawker30 said:
Wouldn't looking for that kind of thing lead into a loop? I mean, hell, wouldn't you be curious about what was happening a minute before what started happening a minute before the big bang?

I would.
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Eventually you reach a point of origin, and/or the concept of eternality. At origin the scientific and religious answer is similar. We cant know for sure what the first uncaused cause is but we do know the uncaused cause is something that, is a force that is eternal, and has enough force to produce all that is. The religious call this force God, based on a perceived order and implied design or plan to the motion we see. Atheists see no evidence or need for planned motion.
 
rhinefire said:
Faith is born when you don't have an answer to a simple question. In faith you don't pass or fail a test to qualify because there is no question. Faith says "believe". That's it . That's all. See how simple it is?! A light flashes on the wall and you are told to believe in it for all of your dilemmas in life. Do not question ever. Faith preys on children as children we are more easily scared and persuaded. The military uses the same principle but they hit on teenagers. Isn't is odd we never see a long human lines of scientists only long line of believers lining of for reinforcement. One thing above all is true of faith, "followers" always have and always will have to do one thing......... recruit.
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Substitute the word "faith" in every instance of your post with the words scientific inquiry and you still have a coherent statement.
 
ethanUNC said:
I am just wondering why you believe it over any other fiction piece such as Harry Potter. Neither have bibliographies.
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Fiction? Why do you think it is appropriate to view the bible as fiction? Maybe you do not know much about the bible.
 
johndylan1 said:
Fiction? Why do you think it is appropriate to view the bible as fiction? Maybe you do not know much about the bible.
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It should be approached as fiction because it is a collection of myths. Just because people think they are true does not make them true. If some people believe that the events in Harry Potter are real, that doesn't make them non-fiction.
 
ethanUNC said:
It should be approached as fiction because it is a collection of myths. Just because people think they are true does not make them true. If some people believe that the events in Harry Potter are real, that doesn't make them non-fiction.
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Collection of myths? Why would anyone want to collect myths, and teach them?
 
johndylan1 said:
Collection of myths? Why would anyone want to collect myths, and teach them?
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I don't know. Can you think of some reasons?

Click through this list. I'll start you out with the letter "A"
Global Gods - "A" | Machines Like Us

As you scroll through the list, keep in mind that your god is no more valid than any of these gods.
 
ethanUNC said:
I don't know. Can you think of some reasons?

Click through this list. I'll start you out with the letter "A"
Global Gods - "A" | Machines Like Us

As you scroll through the list, keep in mind that your god is no more valid than any of these gods.
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Oh, I thought you were talking about the bible?
So like I said at first I doubt you know much about it. Especially given that you think it is a collection of myths, and that is the sum of the value you place on it's pages.
 
johndylan1 said:
Oh, I thought you were talking about the bible?
So like I said at first I doubt you know much about it. Especially given that you think it is a collection of myths, and that is the sum of the value you place on it's pages.
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Other than the history that we already know about the time period, it can be appreciated as nothing more than classic mythology like that of the Norse people.
 
ethanUNC said:
Other than the history that we already know about the time period, it can be appreciated as nothing more than classic mythology like that of the Norse people.
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And that point is why I say you know nothing about it. It isn't written as a way to record history. It is a theological book. It's about humanity's relationship to creation and to Creator. The "stories" are only there to make larger points. It doesn't matter if there are fables included, histories included, or dreams, They are not the focus.
 
Moderator's Warning:
I don't know how I missed this, but I'm faced with the choice of infracting about eight posters, or overlooking it while moving this thread somewhere more appropriate. I'm going to choose the latter; you're welcome, I suppose, but don't do it again.
 
johndylan1 said:
And that point is why I say you know nothing about it. It isn't written as a way to record history. It is a theological book. It's about humanity's relationship to creation and to Creator. The "stories" are only there to make larger points. It doesn't matter if there are fables included, histories included, or dreams, They are not the focus.
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Now that you have moved this to philosophical discussions, Goshin, I hope you don't mind that I continue.

The stories are there to make larger points the same as in any other mythology e.g. Norse. One can safely assume that the "Creator" does not exist (that is, the Christian creator), so the stories are best appreciated as mythological literature.
 
WCH said:
Atheists worship science as their 'god', saying it answers all the questions in life.

It does not.
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I'd like you to prove this general and absolute statement. Can you, or are you just bearing false witness? If the latter, why can't you obey the 10 Commandments?
 
Ikari said:
I'd like you to prove this general and absolute statement. Can you, or are you just bearing false witness? If the latter, why can't you obey the 10 Commandments?
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I said it, you prove it's false.
 
WCH said:
I said it, you prove it's false.
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OK, not really how proof and logic go, but I suppose we'll start here. Science does not currently have all the answers. Thus your general and absolute statement is incorrect and you should stop bearing false witness against atheists.
 
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Ikari said:
OK, not really how proof and logic go, but I suppose we'll start here. Science does not currently have all the answers. Thus your general and absolute statement is incorrect and you should stop bearing false witness against atheists.
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Well since I said "It does not" guess I am being factual.

It must be hard having that big a chip on ones shoulder.
 
WCH said:
Well since I said "It does not" guess I am being factual.

It must be hard having that big a chip on ones shoulder.
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Wow, just more dishonesty. How unChristian. You said

WCH said:
Atheists worship science as their 'god', saying it answers all the questions in life.

It does not.
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See that? Atheists worship science as their 'god', saying it answers all the questions in life.

I asked you to back that statement up, you deflected because you had to. I stated that I don't think science has answers all the questions in life; this debunks your claim that atheists worship science as a god. So all you do is bear false witness, and when presented with your lies, you seem to just make further arguments of deflection and lie.

It must be hard having that big a chip on one's shoulder.
 
johndylan1 said:
Fiction? Why do you think it is appropriate to view the bible as fiction? Maybe you do not know much about the bible.
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Proof the Bible is fiction....:mrgreen:

California branch of Costco labels the Bible

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