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Agree? Or not?

opendebate said:
No, it is not for everyone. I don't think it is for the "chosen" few. That, to me, implies some kind of superiority. I think it is a combination of intelligence, work ethic and luck. You can be very hard working and give all you have to your efforts at success but just not have what it takes. You can work your ass off and work hard just to get of the grill at McD's but go nowhere because you just don't have the brains for it.

I actually HATE that stupid privileged mantra "you can do anything, all you have to do is go out and get it" STFU . No you can't. I remember watching this video of a girl who wanted to be a ballroom dancer or something but she had no legs or something. So they put her in a wheelchair and everyone is rooting for her as she moves her arms and her partner spins her in a chair. STOP IT! You are not a dancer, you will never be a dancer and getting an I want to feel good about myself crowd of minimally invested cheerleaders together to encourage that impossible dream is cruel.

Instead, why don't we stop this stupid myth right now. Accept the fact that people do not fail in life for this singular reason that they did not try hard enough and stop making moral judgements about those who don't "make it". It is just an excuse so that people who have "made it" can feel superior and blame the dirty failers for not making it. If it's all their own fault, we have no responsibility to them.

I am very very lucky in life. I won the ****ing lottery. But I have known many people who worked and scarified and did everything they were capable of and just didn't get there. That's reality.
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Please do me and you a favor. Read my other posts in this thread so that you will have a better understanding of what I am talking about, which is NOT what you just chastised me with.

Thank you, my friend.
 
justabubba said:
yes, those walton heirs, born into billions thru the luck of the womb (Warren Buffett's expression)
so superior and successful, only because of their personal actions [/sarcasm for those who actually needed it]
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You're missing the point of the thread.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Please do me and you a favor. Read my other posts in this thread so that you will have a better understanding of what I am talking about, which is NOT what you just chastised me with.

Thank you, my friend.
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I am not chastising you. I got passionate about the issue but did not assume what your position was. Sorry if it sounded that way.
 
opendebate said:
I am not chastising you. I got passionate about the issue but did not assume what your position was. Sorry if it sounded that way.
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justabubba said:
ok, then share your point
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Please, just read my previous posts in this thread. I laid it out in a lot of detail. If you have any points you would like to discuss after that, just ask.

I'm not trying to sound snotty. I've been up for two days with my sick mother-in-law that we took to hospital and is now on my couch, giving me very direct and clear orders as to what she wants... so I'm bone tired, and too tired to write it all again.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Please, just read my previous posts in this thread. I laid it out in a lot of detail. If you have any points you would like to discuss after that, just ask.

I'm not trying to sound snotty. I've been up for two days with my sick mother-in-law that we took to hospital and is now on my couch, giving me very direct and clear orders as to what she wants... so I'm bone tired, and too tired to write it all again.
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No problem. You're a good guy B.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Please, just read my previous posts in this thread. I laid it out in a lot of detail. If you have any points you would like to discuss after that, just ask.

I'm not trying to sound snotty. I've been up for two days with my sick mother-in-law that we took to hospital and is now on my couch, giving me very direct and clear orders as to what she wants... so I'm bone tired, and too tired to write it all again.
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i simply disagree with your premise
there are heirs of fortunes who have never had to work a day in their lives
but because they have wealth and all of the accoutrements that come with wealth, they are viewed as 'successful'
or maybe we just have a disagreement about what constitutes 'success'
 
justabubba said:
i simply disagree with your premise
there are heirs of fortunes who have never had to work a day in their lives
but because they have wealth and all of the accoutrements that come with wealth, they are viewed as 'successful'
or maybe we just have a disagreement about what constitutes 'success'
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That's exactly where the disconnect is for us. I don't gauge success by my bank account alone. It's part of it, but a very, very small part of it.
 
Beaudreaux said:
That's exactly where the disconnect is for us. I don't gauge success by my bank account alone. It's part of it, but a very, very small part of it.
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yes, it only took me over a half century to realize that success is not always measured in legal tender
 
Beaudreaux said:
I believe that "Success is not for the chosen few, but for the few who chose it."

What do you think?

This is not meant to be an opportunity for a political rant for against either liberal or conservative ideology, but rather this thread is meant to be an indepth discussion and hopefully discovery of what personal factors determine success.
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I agree. Did you come up with that phrase on your own? I ask because I'm writing a book that includes similar messages.
 
Mathematician said:
I agree. Did you come up with that phrase on your own? I ask because I'm writing a book that includes similar messages.
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I wish I had. I read it on a management forum from a member that lectures for a living on how to achieve success.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't feel it's a rule, but an axiom. And there are more levels of success beyond those of profession. My grandmother never worked a day in her life, but she was very successful and very happy in her chosen area of success.



No answer there. Great point though. I guess JS falls into the misery loves company category because minus the cash, they are the most ****ed up family I've heard of (never watched it) and they must have made a lot of people feel better about their own lives which were not so ****ed up, but Firefly getting canceled? That made no sense to me at all... to this day.

Great band. My son turned me on to them when you had to get their music from their web site only.

Bieber??? No clue, beyond hormone raging teenie girls with daddy's credit card (a version of CP marketing).
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In reverse order of importance or bottom to top if you will...

Good to know that we agree on most if not all of it. As for the interest in ICP, I got really into them a couple of years ago, and I even read Behind The Paint. They still make up most most of my music collection aside from the other artists on Psychopathic Records.

The very fact that you have even heard of or maybe seen Firefly but not Jersey Shore means that you are about as sane as can be.

Wikipedia says, "As used in modern logic, an axiom is simply a premise or starting point for reasoning," meaning you are quite correct in your reply. Congratulations sir, you win this argument.
 
Indeed said:
In reverse order of importance or bottom to top if you will...

Good to know that we agree on most if not all of it. As for the interest in ICP, I got really into them a couple of years ago, and I even read Behind The Paint. They still make up most most of my music collection aside from the other artists on Psychopathic Records.

The very fact that you have even heard of or maybe seen Firefly but not Jersey Shore means that you are about as sane as can be.

Wikipedia says, "As used in modern logic, an axiom is simply a premise or starting point for reasoning," meaning you are quite correct in your reply. Congratulations sir, you win this argument.
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Firefly is a sleeping classic. I have it hot linked in my Netflix account, both the single season and the follow-up movie. I watch it all at least once every six months in a marathon session, which is the only way to watch it, IMHO.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Firefly is a sleeping classic. I have it hot linked in my Netflix account, both the single season and the follow-up movie. I watch it all at least once every six months in a marathon session, which is the only way to watch it, IMHO.
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Full of win.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I believe that "Success is not for the chosen few, but for the few who chose it."

What do you think?

This is not meant to be an opportunity for a political rant for against either liberal or conservative ideology, but rather this thread is meant to be an indepth discussion and hopefully discovery of what personal factors determine success.
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Yes and no. While personal factors are absolutely critical and unless one is born successful, than success cannot happen without them.

But we all need reasonable opportunity as well and that is sorely lacking in many cases and is usually beyond a person's control.
 
I don't see the Third World spawning a slew of entrepreneurial phenomena any time soon. I don't care how gifted and determined they are. If it's three square of dirt a day and flies for company, you're not taking us to the next level, that's for damn sure.
 
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