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Suppose It Was Revealed To Mankind There Is In Fact No After Life, What Then?

Jerry said:
If we cannot verify the message then it cannot be accepted as true. All claims are false by default until proven true.
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No, the truth of a matter is not a function of our ability to verify it. Moreover, the inability to verify something does not mean it is false; it merely means we are unable to verify it.
 
Gardener said:
If the only life is here, who is it, then, who is sending the message?
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Just because there is a party next door does not mean you are invited. Get it?
 
Penderyn said:
Why should we believe any 'messages'. How would we know it was the only truth? Come on!
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You DON'T get it. Just answer, that is the purpose of these type threads!!!!! When you watch a The Muppets do you sit in your chair and challenge the physics of a pig being launched in to space?
 
Hypersonic said:
I know most here disagree with Islam, and although I have my doubts there is a passage in the Holy Qur'an that I find universally true. There is a passage in the Qur'an that talks about God sending down a clear sign which would remove metaphysical doubt for all people. God told Muhammad that even if he (God himself) sent down clear evidence of his existence people would still disbelieve or refer to it as magic.

I think we live in a world where people are stubborn and would find any excuse to maintain their faith. I think this is true today of atheists and other non-monotheists. I think if God sent something so regal, so majestic and metaphysical where it provides substantial proof, of God's existence people would find some scientific way or some empirical way to demonstrate what they see, is natural and not some metaphysical experience.

The same would be said about believers. I doubt the stubborness of believers would change their beliefs.
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This is pretty much it. For the most part, people believe what they want to, rather than what evidence tells them. Also the funny thing about evidence is in much of the case, evidence can be interpreted in any number of ways, so in a lot of cases people believe what they want and what evidence tells them at the same time, even if that same evidence tells someone something else.

So, if some revelation from space like this were to happen, I doubt anything would change, except for a few % of people.
 
rhinefire said:
You DON'T get it. Just answer, that is the purpose of these type threads!!!!! When you watch a The Muppets do you sit in your chair and challenge the physics of a pig being launched in to space?
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If the Moon were made of green cheese, would you eat it? Answer Yes or No, at once! :)
 
Penderyn said:
If the Moon were made of green cheese, would you eat it? Answer Yes or No, at once! :)
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Its called the milky way for a reason ...
 
EdwinWillers said:
No, the truth of a matter is not a function of our ability to verify it. Moreover, the inability to verify something does not mean it is false; it merely means we are unable to verify it.
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Which means it's false until we can verify it.
 
Penderyn said:
If the Moon were made of green cheese, would you eat it? Answer Yes or No, at once! :)
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Depends on what kind of cheese, but even then probably not considering how old the moon is. 4 billion year old cheese? No thank you.
 
Jerry said:
Depends on what kind of cheese, but even then probably not considering how old the moon is. 4 billion year old cheese? No thank you.
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You denying the Book of Genesis now? Wait till it turns to blood, mun - or get it down you while you can!
 
specklebang said:
FWIW Jews don't believe in an afterlife.
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This isn't exactly true. There is no univocal teaching in Judaism about the matter. Some Jews do not believe in an afterlife. As it turns out, some Christians also do not believe in an afterlife.
 
Jerry said:
Which means it's false until we can verify it.
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Hmmm...

Answer me this, if you please: I was in a restaurant yesterday. Suppose I ask a question like, say, "was there a piece of gum stuck under the seat of one of the chairs in the table next to me?". I didn't check, so I don't know whether there was one there, or not. Is it the case that there's just no fact of the matter? That is, is it the case that neither

1) there was such a piece of gum
2) there was not such a piece of gum

are true?

Whatever your answer, I'm curious to know how you'd go about verifying the truth of your claim about truth. How could I verify that claims are false until verified?
 
To answer the question proposed by the thread: I think people would go one of two ways. Some people would likely become less selfish and cruel, since under such a scenario every passing moment is precious beyond compare. Once gone, you can never ever ever get it back (which is true in any case), but also, you have only a finite number of such moments.

I think most people would tend to become a lot more selfish and cruel, however. When death is seen as simply the end, it will become the goal of most people to live as long as possible and ensure their own safety as much as possible. The latter is usually handled by people acquiring goods. Stores of food, medicine, better shelter and clothing, etc. tend to postpone death. The psychology of human beings suggests to me that this is why we tend to acquire far more than we need anyway, and this tendency would just get worse.

Punishment by killing would become more common in some situations. One person who hates another might be more inclined to kill their enemy since this removes them from existence forever.
 
rhinefire said:
Suppose through some kind of "message to the planet Earth" we learnthat there has never been is not now and never will be an after life. Mankind learns this is the only truth and nothing else is included in "The Message". We never now what the source of the message is only that it is undeniably the only truth. The only life in the universe is here and it ends here. Now mankind must adapt to this change. What will life be like ten years, one hundred years, etc. after "The Message"?
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Well...if we received some sort of message "to planet Earth" then many will just assume that it is from some extraterrestial and the way death works no one living can know such a statement is Truth. And many would doubt it is the truth since because the message alone is proof that there is other life in the universe and it doesn't "end here".

There would be a change though. One would hope for the better, but it could be the worse to. Depends on if fear won out over pragmatism.
 
Penderyn said:
You denying the Book of Genesis now?
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Of course not. What makes you say that?

Geneses does not say the Earth is X years old. Young-Earth Creationism is the invention of people. You will not find it anywhere in the whole bible.

Even still...7,000 year old cheese? No thanks.
 
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rhinefire said:
Suppose through some kind of "message to the planet Earth" we learnthat there has never been is not now and never will be an after life. Mankind learns this is the only truth and nothing else is included in "The Message". We never now what the source of the message is only that it is undeniably the only truth. The only life in the universe is here and it ends here. Now mankind must adapt to this change. What will life be like ten years, one hundred years, etc. after "The Message"?
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Well, for some, Yesterday's rain is tomorrow's tears. All is change, life will go on.

For others? Wackos everywhere plague and madness...
 
Jerry said:
If we cannot verify the message then it cannot be accepted as true. All claims are false by default until proven true.
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Wrong
 
Jerry said:
But it's true, there really is no after life.

There is only life, and change.

What we commonly call life is not the centerpoint of your existance. Its just a phase.
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How do you know there is no afterlife?
 
rhinefire said:
Suppose through some kind of "message to the planet Earth" we learnthat there has never been is not now and never will be an after life. Mankind learns this is the only truth and nothing else is included in "The Message". We never now what the source of the message is only that it is undeniably the only truth. The only life in the universe is here and it ends here. Now mankind must adapt to this change. What will life be like ten years, one hundred years, etc. after "The Message"?
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My first post - so take it for what it is worth ;).

If the message was given to us from someone or something within our known universe (whether seen or unseen) then that being would still be just like us and their message would prove nothing. In other words, if they are merely aliens of some sort within our same universe how would they know about something that transcends our universe?

If the message came from something outside of our known universe, then the message although denying that there is an afterlife, would neither prove that there is no afterlife or it would disprove itself since a message that transcends our universe being delivered to us proves that there's something outside of what we know empirically. In other words, if an angel were to give us a message that there is no afterlife, the fact that this angel gave us the message would disprove the message itself.
 
Jerry said:
If we cannot verify the message then it cannot be accepted as true. All claims are false by default until proven true.
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If a message cannot be verified, it cannot necessarily be accepted as true or false. But that does not mean that the message is true or false, The message stands on its own, independent of verification.
 
rhinefire said:
Suppose through some kind of "message to the planet Earth" we learnthat there has never been is not now and never will be an after life. Mankind learns this is the only truth and nothing else is included in "The Message". We never now what the source of the message is only that it is undeniably the only truth. The only life in the universe is here and it ends here. Now mankind must adapt to this change. What will life be like ten years, one hundred years, etc. after "The Message"?
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Many will disbelieve the message, for how could it be proven to be so?
 
Goshin said:
Many will disbelieve the message, for how could it be proven to be so?
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The only way I could ever imagine is that it would have to have some amazing math and physics theories to show that other planes or dimensions or what not do not exist.
 
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