Admitting Your Own Hypocrisies - Or Conflicting Ideologies

FreedomFromAll said:

First let me point out that I am on your side in the fight against socialism.

But here is the problem. Americanism wasnt designed as a ideological dictatorship. In fact to claim that it is misses the point of Americanism, which above all is freedom and liberty. What your thought experiment is showing is that no matter how good the system is that you want to force onto everyone else the act of forcing it makes it a bad system. Its like the when socialists preach about a utopia system but through out the sermon the main theme is that they want to take your freedoms and liberties away.

You can go on and on about people being lazy and public assistance and then promote all the best things from the Constitution, but since you want to force Americanism its not a country where I want to live.

So I have narrowed your argument down to what you proposed was a fascist pseudo America not the real thing. The founders did what they did by choice, they were not forced to comply. The same goes to all immigrants through out the history of this country, they came by choice and they became citizens by choice. Once you replace choice with force there isnt any point of continuing that situation.

But really what you have done here is used the 'if you cant beat them join them' tactic. Forcing a one party system is exactly what Communism becomes. So my fight then on that note is against the far left (and what you are promoting in this thought experiment) the far right. Me not being a leftist or a rightist I must disagree with both sides on this matter.

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You and many others seem to be oblivious to what American Politics has become over the past five decades_

The Parties are no longer two sides of the same coin, but now at opposite ends of the political spectrum_

We've gone far beyond simple issue and policy disagreements, to the realm of extreme ideological gridlock_

This nation is in the midst of drastic times and the only way for it to survive is to resort to drastic measures_

Dragonfly said:

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Hirer a plasterer!

Empirica said:

You and many others seem to be oblivious to what American Politics has become over the past five decades_

The Parties are no longer two sides of the same coin, but now at opposite ends of the political spectrum_

We've gone far beyond simple issue and policy disagreements, to the realm of extreme ideological gridlock_

This nation is in the midst of drastic times and the only way for it to survive is to resort to drastic measures_

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So then you are asserting that going from the frying pan to the fire will save us from getting burnt? Im not buying your claim at all other than political parties have out lasted their worth. But Ill go a step further and ask why keep even on political party at all? If its the political parties that are the problem than why would a single party be better?

The reality is that people do think differently. In fact the people that created this country were far from agreement in the details. I see it one way you see it a different and compulsory political party membership isnt going to change that reality.

Hell a One-Party Government would be rejected before it saw the light of day. Sure there are some Americans according to a Gallup poll that think that One-Party Government would work. But these people most likely are hyper-partisans that were thinking along the lines of their political party being the only political party.

I really dont think claiming that your one party solution is the only way for this nation to survive. I always question a claim that determines itself the only solution. Its like you just told me that you have no need to debate this because there can be only one solution. And thats why even though I believe that no political parties is the best solution that I only make that claim as a personal opinion. I dont even intend the country to become a no party system because I know that there simply isnt any real support. But in most discussions that I have had on the subject of no political parties ends up with people misunderstanding me and thinking that I asserted a claim for a single party system. But I guess that if believes that there has to be a political parties that they wouldnt understand the concept of zero political parties in a system of governance.

So my assertion is that the Constitution is the law of the land not competing political ideologies. So theoretically hyper partisans can only do whats legal, anything that alters the law of the land is a usurpation of power. The reset would eliminate such aberrations. But obviously not without a lot of drama.


I suspect that soon there will be a renaissance in political parties, if not then they will lose popularity and fade away to be replaced by neo parties that are much more moderate. The younger crowd just isnt impressed with the fossil parties. But despite what the fossils say the younger crowd are very patriotic.