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Is there a form of Universal Morality?

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To clarify, is there a set of morals that apply to everyone? Are morals simply created by society? Or is Moral Nihilism correct and morality is just a man-made concept? I know I started a thread a while back to discuss Good and Evil, but I wanted to clarify my question.

Furtherly, I wish to apologize to people who replied to my threads back in December, and I didn't reply back to them. Lightning destroyed my computer, and I couldn't afford to replace it until now. So I would like to apologize to people like Lizzie, Goshin, or Mycroft who always replied to my threads and gave me their opinions.
 
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I'd say there is somewhat a social set of morals based upon either their utility to society over time and/or indoctrination of some sort. Likewise we all further have a personal morality based in part on social morality/constructs and part upon our own experiences and observations.
 
I've maintained for a while that universal morality is based on the alleviation or causing of suffering. Causing suffering is immoral. Alleviating suffering is moral. Seems like a solid foundation to me.
 
I do not believe in an objective morality, I believe in the shifting moral zeitgeist.

We as a species are becoming more moral. We abhor war and violence more, we stigmatize bigots, we've grown accepting of homosexuality and less sexist. When was the last time you heard the term "Interracial couple"? More and more as time goes on we improve and become more moral. We've had our consciencenesses raised and we can see so much further because we stand on the shoulders of giants.

 
Morbidity is a good word for this

Definition of MORBIDITY

1
: the quality or state of being morbid
2
: the relative incidence of disease
 
Paschendale said:
I've maintained for a while that universal morality is based on the alleviation or causing of suffering. Causing suffering is immoral. Alleviating suffering is moral. Seems like a solid foundation to me.
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I can very much agree with that, IMO any alleged moral pronouncement that has absolutely nothing to do with real human suffering is completely irrelevant to ethics & morality. Like a religious superstition about on what days on is allowed to eat meat. An alleged sin that's not immoral isn't wrong to me.
 
If there was a universal morality...would there be any need to make a thread about it? No, there isn't, nor will there ever be an "objective morality". Perhaps a more subjectively egalitarian and reasonable morality, but never an objectively correct morality.
 
family75401343 said:
To clarify, is there a set of morals that apply to everyone?
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No.

Are morals simply created by society?
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Yes.

... morality is just a man-made concept?
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Yes.

It's trivial to show that morality, if you define it in general concepts that societies have used in the past 5,000 years or so, is a human mental construct that is dependent on human social interaction and it is not something that relates or something that is important to the universe.

Humans, their ways of behaving and their fantasies, are all irrelevant to the universe.
 
Morality is universal within sets.

The set of all human beings has a general set of attendant morals.

If you add some lemmings, Andorean spice girls, male blackwidow spiders, and a xenomorph to the set, all attempts to identify a universal morality are a waste of time .. especially with the addition of the spice girls.
 
Morals are a social construct. For a person in a void, morals are meaningless; therefore, they cannot be derived by an individual, they exist only socially.
 
Yes, the laws of physics. :)
 
family75401343 said:
To clarify, is there a set of morals that apply to everyone? Are morals simply created by society? Or is Moral Nihilism correct and morality is just a man-made concept? I know I started a thread a while back to discuss Good and Evil, but I wanted to clarify my question.
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I'd say yes, but there are very few of them. Morals against murder and theft come to mind. Now the ironic twist comes in that there is a large disparity in what those terms encompass, so that why the vast majority are against murder, what one considers murder isn't want another considers murder.
 
family75401343 said:
To clarify, is there a set of morals that apply to everyone? Are morals simply created by society? Or is Moral Nihilism correct and morality is just a man-made concept? I know I started a thread a while back to discuss Good and Evil, but I wanted to clarify my question.

Furtherly, I wish to apologize to people who replied to my threads back in December, and I didn't reply back to them. Lightning destroyed my computer, and I couldn't afford to replace it until now. So I would like to apologize to people like Lizzie, Goshin, or Mycroft who always replied to my threads and gave me their opinions.
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Yes, Biblical morals apply to everyone whether they believe them or not.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Yes, Biblical morals apply to everyone whether they believe them or not.
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When I made this thread. I believed that I was going to get flooded with comments just like this one. But it seems most people believe that morality is simply society-driven. I am a Moral Nihilus. I don't believe in morality. On top of that, I'm an Atheist and don't believe in Biblical morals. And I know I'm probably going to get yelled at for saying I'm an Atheist. I already get yelled at in the real world for being one.
 
family75401343 said:
When I made this thread. I believed that I was going to get flooded with comments just like this one. But it seems most people believe that morality is simply society-driven. I am a Moral Nihilus. I don't believe in morality. On top of that, I'm an Atheist and don't believe in Biblical morals. And I know I'm probably going to get yelled at for saying I'm an Atheist. I already get yelled at in the real world for being one.
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Let me ask you a question, do you believe murder is wrong?
 
family75401343 said:
When I made this thread. I believed that I was going to get flooded with comments just like this one. But it seems most people believe that morality is simply society-driven. I am a Moral Nihilus. I don't believe in morality. On top of that, I'm an Atheist and don't believe in Biblical morals. And I know I'm probably going to get yelled at for saying I'm an Atheist. I already get yelled at in the real world for being one.
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I won't yell but even as an atheist I can appreciate the "golden rule". "Do unto others" is as universal as morals get even if few actually follow it.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Let me ask you a question, do you believe murder is wrong?
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I believe that murder has nothing to do with morality. When someone is murdered, humanity is weakened since it lost a human being that could have contributed to humanity. If someone murders another, they have shown that they don't wish to futher the human race by eliminating someone who could have contributed to the human race. And, as they don't wish to further the human race, they themselves should be eliminated as they would only cause trouble.
 
family75401343 said:
I believe that murder has nothing to do with morality. When someone is murdered, humanity is weakened since it lost a human being that could have contributed to humanity. If someone murders another, they have shown that they don't wish to futher the human race by eliminating someone who could have contributed to the human race. And, as they don't wish to further the human race, they themselves should be eliminated as they would only cause trouble.
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You didn't answer the question. Yes or No, do you believe murder is wrong?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
You didn't answer the question. Yes or No, do you believe murder is wrong?
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In a manner of speaking, I did answer your question. I said that murder weakens humanity and murderers should be eliminated. I believe in preserving the human race, those that would destroy another obviously does not want to preserve it. So, it really depends on how you look at it. I guess you could say that I, morally, believe it's wrong. But I don't believe it is wrong because society tells me its wrong or some god told me its wrong. I believe it is wrong because it weakens the human race. Its all about preserving humanity.
 
family75401343 said:
In a manner of speaking, I did answer your question. I said that murder weakens humanity and murderers should be eliminated. I believe in preserving the human race, those that would destroy another obviously does not want to preserve it. So, it really depends on how you look at it. I guess you could say that I, morally, believe it's wrong. But I don't believe it is wrong because society tells me its wrong or some god told me its wrong. I believe it is wrong because it weakens the human race. Its all about preserving humanity.
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So you do believe it is wrong. I point you to the definition of morality:

1.Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
https://www.google.com/search?q=def...-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
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So you do believe in morality you just like to think you do not.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
So you do believe it is wrong. I point you to the definition of morality:



So you do believe in morality you just like to think you do not.
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I don't believe that morality is given or is clearly defined. Morality shifts all the time. Murder is wrong if the victim is just some random person. But, murder is then okay if he is on death row. So murder, cannot be simply explained with being right or wrong. Nothing in its entirety is right or wrong, or good or bad. Things are the way the are. If a person does not believe in gun control, he/she is not good or evil, he/she simply believes that people have the right to own guns without the interference of the government. Freedom is not good or bad. We all consider Hitler to be be evil. Before Hitler, Children were given cigarettes, which we consider now to be bad. Hitler changed this and children were given candy, which is more acceptable than cigarettes by today's standards. Now don't get me wrong, Hitler woesn't right in the head. Especially when he allowed the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a complete waste of human resources. Christianity has done both good and bad things, but many of us consider Christianity to be wholly good.
 
family75401343 said:
I don't believe that morality is given or is clearly defined. Morality shifts all the time. Murder is wrong if the victim is just some random person. But, murder is then okay if he is on death row. So murder, cannot be simply explained with being right or wrong. Nothing in its entirety is right or wrong, or good or bad. Things are the way the are. If a person does not believe in gun control, he/she is not good or evil, he/she simply believes that people have the right to own guns without the interference of the government. Freedom is not good or bad. We all consider Hitler to be be evil. Before Hitler, Children were given cigarettes, which we consider now to be bad. Hitler changed this and children were given candy, which is more acceptable than cigarettes by today's standards. Now don't get me wrong, Hitler woesn't right in the head. Especially when he allowed the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a complete waste of human resources. Christianity has done both good and bad things, but many of us consider Christianity to be wholly good.
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But you do believe in morality, because earlier you said you did not.
 
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