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How do you explain this?

ChezC3 said:
Noooo....you (and everyone else) must take responsibility and choose...
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If people have a choice, then God does not know the future, and is not imnipotent - not so Godly.

If people have an illusion of choice, but God already knows what you will choose, he is either evil or does not care to save you.
 
tosca1 said:
David mentioned that Jesus was prophesied in the OT. The Jews believed that there will be a Messiah, but they did not believe the Messiah was Jesus.
I was responding to your request. Showing that Jesus is indeed the Messiah that was foretold in the OT!
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There is no proof of that at all. Only wild speculation.


tosca1 said:
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I gave you more than mere examples. :roll:

I gave you the evidence that's backed by science.

What's ridiculous is your response! What? You'll accept our faith-based assertion just like that?
:lol:
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Using mathematics here is an awful misuse of resources.
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm getting from your one-liners that you're not against religion, you're against Christianity, and probably willing to include Judaism and Islam. It's just that, for me, spirituality is what religion is.
You sound like you want the word 'religion' to be about all that bible stuff that you know how to argue against but the other stuff, what you call 'spirituality', you want that separate from 'religion'. It's not that simple. Anyone who thinks they can discount the spiritual aspects of Christianity and Islam and, for that matter, Buddhism and Hinduism, and make points shooting holes in the mythology is just cherry-picking. It doesn't require a three-digit IQ to show that God didn't create a man out of dirt and a woman out of a bone and then evict them from paradise but after a little thought the meaning of that particular creation myth might dawn on you.
Bumper-sticker philosophy. Fridge-magnet philosophy. Looks like you've got room in the thread to use all the platitudes.
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Spirituality has been abducted by all religions. I do not wish to single out the monotheistic religions, but they are easy to scrutinize because of all of their flaws and contradictions.

Spirituality can be entirely independent of religion. You can have a truly spiritual experience through meditation, watching a sunset, surfing, hiking, looking at art, creating art, etc etc etc. Religion just adds ridiculous lore and folk tales, and tarnishes spiritual experience.

Spirituality is the feeling. Religion is the unneeded institution.
 
afr0byte said:
Just how exactly are they wrong (I don't know about the "in his lifetime" bit)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming#Judaism

I thought this excerpt was interesting: 'Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)'

This too: 'Regarding the Christian idea that these prophecies will be fulfilled during a "second coming," Ohr Samayach states "we find this to be a contrived answer, since there is no mention of a second coming in the Jewish Bible. Second, why couldn't God accomplish His goals the first time round?"[36] Rabbi David Wolpe believes that the Second Coming was "grown out of genuine disappointment" and invented by Christians to theologically compensate for Jesus' death.'
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Foolishly taken out of context.
 
Knowledge=power said:
If people have a choice, then God does not know the future, and is not imnipotent - not so Godly.

If people have an illusion of choice, but God already knows what you will choose, he is either evil or does not care to save you.
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Your conclusions as well as the dilemma itself, is false.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Spirituality has been abducted by all religions. I do not wish to single out the monotheistic religions, but they are easy to scrutinize because of all of their flaws and contradictions.
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You know what Jesus was talking about when he told his disciples that when they prayed they should go into their innermost chamber and close the door? Prayer = meditation, when he was talking to his disciples. There were essentially two gospels- one for the general population and onew for those ready to take the next level of spirituality.

Knowledge=power said:
Spirituality can be entirely independent of religion. You can have a truly spiritual experience through meditation, watching a sunset, surfing, hiking, looking at art, creating art, etc etc etc. Religion just adds ridiculous lore and folk tales, and tarnishes spiritual experience.
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You can and I can but that peasant in Peru can't, that single mother in Haiti can't, nor can that villager in Laos. Religion gives them something that you or no-one else could replace if you took it away from them.
 
ChezC3 said:
Your conclusions as well as the dilemma itself, is false.
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What I said in the previous post was perfectly logical. It is either one way, or the other.

If you disagree, please, explain how it could be another way.
 
Grand Mal said:
You know what Jesus was talking about when he told his disciples that when they prayed they should go into their innermost chamber and close the door? Prayer = meditation, when he was talking to his disciples. There were essentially two gospels- one for the general population and onew for those ready to take the next level of spirituality.

You can and I can but that peasant in Peru can't, that single mother in Haiti can't, nor can that villager in Laos. Religion gives them something that you or no-one else could replace if you took it away from them.
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You can still believe in a higher power, in a heaven, in predetermination, all without religion. You do not have to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, etc etc etc to believe in a God.
 
The ridiculous thing about it is that we have to play this game and solve riddles. If it wasn't so much like a gameshow maybe it would all sound more credible. Why the guessing game? If god is god and jesus is jesus, why don't they just make it known?
 
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