• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Guru BS Versus Jesus Christ

Un biased said:
Most of the bible does suggest it is Egypt and it is like a history book . Why would people back then need to lie of where those things took place .
Click to expand...
Tall tales have no basis in fact. I'm sure that no one named David threw a rock at Goliath and I seriously doubt two towns were destroyed because they had too many gays in them. Likewise, no global flood and ark. So...are those lies? I say no. Just myth--tall tales.
 
calamity said:
Tall tales have no basis in fact. I'm sure that no one named David threw a rock at Goliath and I seriously doubt two towns were destroyed because they had too many gays in them. Likewise, no global flood and ark. So...are those lies? I say no. Just myth--tall tales.
Click to expand...

Those are stories but I mean where they are set in the river Jordan is mentioned several times . It still is a history book in the sense it tells you what people thought of in that time and the plagues and the environment back in that time .
 
calamity said:
Can anyone explain to me why we should dismiss the faith healing gurus and those that can manifest a flame to shoot out of their index finger while they walk across shards of glass, but yet be told that we should take the myth of Jesus Christ's immaculate conception, Resurrection and the myriad of "miracles" in between serious?

Call me a bigot, but aren't all religious beliefs simply different shades of the same nonsense?
Click to expand...

You're a bigot and no, there's plenty of different kinds nonsense out there... ;)
 
Un biased said:
Those are stories but I mean where they are set in the river Jordan is mentioned several times . It still is a history book in the sense it tells you what people thought of in that time and the plagues and the environment back in that time .
Click to expand...

It's not worthless. Agreed. But, it's not the infallible word of "God" either.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
So you don't actually care to examine the evidence?
Click to expand...

Of course not. No need to when the intent is just to faith bait. You're wasting your time (which is cool if that's what you want to do, just keep your expectations low).
 
X Factor said:
Of course not. No need to when the intent is just to faith bait. You're wasting your time (which is cool if that's what you want to do, just keep your expectations low).
Click to expand...

Again. As I asked a few time already. Why is this one faith more credible than any of a thousand others? So far, I have not seen a good argument which supports Christianity's perch on top of America's religious pedestal.
 
calamity said:
Again. As I asked a few time already. Why is this one faith more credible than any of a thousand others? So far, I have not seen a good argument which supports Christianity's perch on top of America's religious pedestal.
Click to expand...

It does not matter whether you think there's a good enough argument. We believe it's right for us. Why do you care what people believe?
 
X Factor said:
It does not matter whether you think there's a good enough argument. We believe it's right for us. Why do you care what people believe?
Click to expand...
It's interesting to observe from a socio-psychological POV. The events in TN, for example, when the good Christians of Manchester heckled the US Attorney and cheered the firebombing of a mosque raises flags. That which makes adults act in such a manner interests me.
Outreach Meeting In Tenn. Clouded By Anti-Muslim Uproar : NPR
 
calamity said:
Can anyone explain to me why we should dismiss the faith healing gurus and those that can manifest a flame to shoot out of their index finger while they walk across shards of glass, but yet be told that we should take the myth of Jesus Christ's immaculate conception, Resurrection and the myriad of "miracles" in between serious?

Call me a bigot, but aren't all religious beliefs simply different shades of the same nonsense?
Click to expand...

Maybe they are all partial understandings of an eternal truth. ;)
 
Yeah, I generally defer to Hume's comments on miracles. There was no video recording back then, ok, but there should have been way more documentation of this stuff if we're to take such claims seriously. Why resurrect and then show yourself off to so few? It really makes no sense at all.
 
chromium said:
Yeah, I generally defer to Hume's comments on miracles. There was no video recording back then, ok, but there should have been way more documentation of this stuff if we're to take such claims seriously. Why resurrect and then show yourself off to so few? It really makes no sense at all.
Click to expand...

How did you know it was just a few he actually walked about not just showed himself to a few . In Roman times that would be treason to probably confer this and besides most of the people back then were illiterate .
 
It's taken on a case by case basis.

I've been shown convincining evidence of the christian message ... Not so with faith gurus ...
 
Un biased said:
How did you know it was just a few he actually walked about not just showed himself to a few . In Roman times that would be treason to probably confer this and besides most of the people back then were illiterate .
Click to expand...

If persecution did not deter early Christians from clinging to their faith up until their execution, I see no reason it would prevent them from writing down that they witnessed a genuine miracle, except that they did not see such a thing. Illiterate, probably, but he could surely have done better than a few biographers who described the alleged incident decades later. Better yet, why not wave a magic 'literacy' spell over an entire city, fly around yelling "I'm alive again, bitches" and have them get to work documenting it all. There's no reason people 2000 years in the future should be looking back on all this thinking, why is the evidence so weak for such a fantastical claim as resurrection?
 
X Factor said:
Of course not. No need to when the intent is just to faith bait. You're wasting your time (which is cool if that's what you want to do, just keep your expectations low).
Click to expand...

So you admit you won't examine evidence so how can you claim a factual position when you wont even look at evidence that proves you wrong?
 
chromium said:
If persecution did not deter early Christians from clinging to their faith up until their execution, I see no reason it would prevent them from writing down that they witnessed a genuine miracle, except that they did not see such a thing. Illiterate, probably, but he could surely have done better than a few biographers who described the alleged incident decades later. Better yet, why not wave a magic 'literacy' spell over an entire city, fly around yelling "I'm alive again, bitches" and have them get to work documenting it all. There's no reason people 2000 years in the future should be looking back on all this thinking, why is the evidence so weak for such a fantastical claim as resurrection?
Click to expand...

So the point of the ressurection appearances was not to convince people of the ressurection, it was for direction and further encouragement.
 
chromium said:
If persecution did not deter early Christians from clinging to their faith up until their execution, I see no reason it would prevent them from writing down that they witnessed a genuine miracle, except that they did not see such a thing. Illiterate, probably, but he could surely have done better than a few biographers who described the alleged incident decades later. Better yet, why not wave a magic 'literacy' spell over an entire city, fly around yelling "I'm alive again, bitches" and have them get to work documenting it all. There's no reason people 2000 years in the future should be looking back on all this thinking, why is the evidence so weak for such a fantastical claim as resurrection?
Click to expand...

In the bible said he walked around his town where he was not flying saying look at me bitches . ( that would be fun but unfortuanly that did not happen ) I don't think that god would cast a literacy spell , it is a stupid suggestion .
 
davidtaylorjr said:
So you admit you won't examine evidence so how can you claim a factual position when you wont even look at evidence that proves you wrong?
Click to expand...
Have you ever read Origin of the Species, The Practical Geologist, or The Selfish Gene?
 
I'm sticking with Sagen's "Extraordianry claims require extraordinary evidence." IMO, the silly claims made by gurus, both living and dead, differ very little from those attributed to the Jesus man. If he existed at all, I suspect he was a preacher with a small following, not the messiah or Son of God. No extraordinary evidence supports the argument that he was.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom